la france en guerre

bone · November 5th, 2005, 06:43 PM

several of you will have heard about this, but for the ones that haven't, the story:

the suburbs of the French cities aren't realy french no more. in some areas, hardly 1% of the population is still french. so it be in paris.
last week, 2 guys, who had done nothing wrong, were chased by the cops (cops say they weren't chasing them), but because the boys taught they were, and hadn't done anything wrong, they decided to go hide in a high voltage electricity cabin.
bad move, they both were electrocuted to death, and riots started.

now, we're 9 days later, and the riots have spread to the other big cities in france. in total more than 1000 cars have been lit on fire, several firms and public service buildings. they even poored petrol over a handicapped lady that couldn't get off the bus fast enough, and lit here as well.

what can be done about it? the rows didn't start because the government did sth wrong (directly, caus they should've seen it comming) which they can undo to please the immigrants. they neither can negotiate with their leaders, caus there aren't any. the parents of the boys who died initially even asked everyone to calm down, that there will be an investigation etc.

and everyone who has a solution that might work, get's insulted for racist

yesterday i saw an interview with one of the youngsters who was throwing rocks to the cops, and he said: "we have nothing to win, we're all doomed, but sth has to be done"
so worst part is, that they realise they can't succeed in whatever they're trying, caus they don't know themselves

so, contribute...what can be done? (besides shooting them or sending them back where they come from)

CNN link

avanti · November 5th, 2005, 11:52 PM

I see no reason why they should not be shoot! And France should learn from their mistakes and close their borders.

zenkidori · November 6th, 2005, 12:08 AM

These people are stupid, they trash thier own neighborhoods because two kids were stupid and electrocuted themselves, running from the police. They have no reason to be upset, it's a tragic accident. Even if the police were chasing them for whatever reason, they climbed the fence and died of thier own accord.

The police should respond to them like any senseless riot, with tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons and batons.

YF19pilot · November 6th, 2005, 12:29 AM

They [the rioters] have already demonstrated lethal violence towards bystanders and police. And it's not just one or two guys, it's the entire lot. That is grounds for lethal force, in my opinion. I'm not saying the French army should come in and mow everyone down. If possible, they should bring this to an end with as little harm done as possible. But the riots have gone on for 9 days. There is no purpose, it's just chaotic rampaging. It needs to stop now before it gets out of hand and consumes the nation as a whole. The French government needs to grow some balls, and some pretty big ones, very soon, or they won't have a country to govern. I also don't see this as being something that'll burn itself out anytime soon, because there's no cause to fight for. It's just sensles random rioting over nothing. Not even soccer/football.

The best thing to do is to blockade the rioting districts as best as they can and move in from there. If that's not possible, they need to send the riot squads or whoever to go in there and kick some ass.

I know Americans are disliked for their pro-active choices, but you can only be pasive for so long...

Renesis · November 6th, 2005, 01:04 AM

I say kick all those immigrants out..

I'm all for everyone staying in their own country.. no matter who's immigrating where, well up to some point, but you get my drift..

pdanev · November 6th, 2005, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YF19pilot

It's just sensles random rioting over nothing. Not even soccer/football.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenkidori

The police should respond to them like any senseless riot, with tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons and batons.

swek · November 6th, 2005, 01:37 AM

What's going on here ? All you people act like there's no reason for them to be mad.

Sure, hurting innocent bystanders, the police or anyone else is wrong by any means, but I can understand them to a certain degree. How would you feel living in a ghetto, probably unimployed in the third generation and basicly forgotton by your own gouvernment.

That's a lot of agression that was boung to break free at a time.

If you take a look all over Europe you'll see the same pattern. Everywhere where immigration is high. Ghettos, poor education etc. You could say, well that's their own fault. They didn't want to assimilate, but that's the easy way out.

You got to think about solutions here. Hosing them down and sending them home is not a long term solution. We gotta ask ourselves if we want want to accept the fact that everyone who grows up in such a surrounding is lost or do we want to change this scheme ?

It's not like the problem will go away if you close your eyes.

zenkidori · November 6th, 2005, 02:53 AM

It's nobody's fault but thier own, they should be held accountable for thier actions. Thinking about why these poor immigrants are mad isn't going to stop the rioting. We've seen this type of behaviour in the US, no matter what type of ladder you give, some people just won't climb out of thier rut. Being poor and unhappy is NO excuse for MURDER or massive destruction.

Ultra_Kool_Dude · November 6th, 2005, 06:19 AM

I say give it some time and it will work out.

bone · November 6th, 2005, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swek

What's going on here ? All you people act like there's no reason for them to be mad.

Sure, hurting innocent bystanders, the police or anyone else is wrong by any means, but I can understand them to a certain degree. How would you feel living in a ghetto, probably unimployed in the third generation and basicly forgotton by your own gouvernment.

they don't HAVE TO come over here. they always can stay where they were born and have an even more miserable life. they should be fucking thankfull they were allowed to cross the border

and a riot isn't the solution. if they are upset they can do sth peacefull, like baricade them into a church and refuse to eat, like they tend to do in belgium (i'd just place a coffin in front of those) but that seems to help. politicians always go over to hear them out

i'm with ren, and not only france should close the borders, but the whole of europe

and they came up with a solution! they're wanne have "les bleus" (france soccer team) parade during the riots and have them ask to stop images/smilies/lol.gif

avanti · November 6th, 2005, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bone

they don't HAVE TO come over here. they always can stay where they were born and have an even more miserable life. they should be fucking thankfull they were allowed to cross the border

The "problem" is that most of them are born in france, so where are you gonna send them...

hajj · November 6th, 2005, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avanti

Quote:

Originally Posted by bone

they don't HAVE TO come over here. they always can stay where they were born and have an even more miserable life. they should be fucking thankfull they were allowed to cross the border

The "problem" is that most of them are born in france, so where are you gonna send them...

Yes that is the main problem. You should also not forget that most of them come from former french colonies.
In Belgium the situation is different since you didnt have those. I know that the Vlaams Block/ Vlaams Belang are trying to use these riots to clear out Belgium. But the problem is that these people are not properly integrated into their societies, they have no option's and chances.
I think the riots need to stop somehow, dont care how stop them, but then they need to sort everything out properly.

YF19pilot · November 6th, 2005, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bone

Quote:

Originally Posted by swek

What's going on here ? All you people act like there's no reason for them to be mad.

Sure, hurting innocent bystanders, the police or anyone else is wrong by any means, but I can understand them to a certain degree. How would you feel living in a ghetto, probably unimployed in the third generation and basicly forgotton by your own gouvernment.

and they came up with a solution! they're wanne have "les bleus" (france soccer team) parade during the riots and have them ask to stop images/smilies/lol.gif

Wait...does France want to lose their soccer team? Or did they do so poorly this year that everyone want to replace them?

As for the whole kids getting electrocuded, I can understand being upset. I can understand having a demonstration where someone with a bull horn bellows out about how these kids were wrongfully treated by the police. I can understand demanding an investigation. However, as everyone else as said, I cannot see the reason for a riot. And from the looks of things, the electrocution isn't quite the reason they're rioting.

bone · November 6th, 2005, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YF19pilot

Wait...does France want to lose their soccer team? Or did they do so poorly this year that everyone want to replace them?

it just shows how desperate they are...

just heard on the radio they found a shed where molotov-cocktails were produced in large scale, more than hundred bottles have been confescated, and 6 persons (all younger than 18) taken in custody

haha604 · November 6th, 2005, 05:22 PM

The unfortunate incident of the two boys was just a catalyst. These rioters have probably been unhappy with the French government for quite a long while.

Firecat · November 6th, 2005, 05:38 PM

It has already been mentioned in this thread. I think the death of the kids were merely a catalyst. Poverty was mentioned. But even other policy may have contributed, like the french ban of headscarves in schools.

I don't think this has anything to do with immigration. There are riots going on in Argentina right now. There were riots etc after hurricane Katrina. Not too long ago, there were riots in some other american city after a neo-nazi group staged a demonstration. If people are pissed off, they will riot. Immigrants or non-immigrants. And it was the imperialist past of France which resulted in the large amount of immigration (from North Africa in particular). Hey, You reap what you sow.

Scud · November 6th, 2005, 05:55 PM

So 2 idiots running from the law gets fried and all hell breaks lose.

This just shows how stupid these people are.
Same in USA when a black guy on a bike was chased by the cops and when he crashed and died the blacks started to riot.

Idiots all of them.
Just kick those fuckers out and problem solved.

///M · November 6th, 2005, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scud

So 2 idiots running from the law gets fried and all hell breaks lose.

This just shows how stupid these people are.
Same in USA when a black guy on a bike was chased by the cops and when he crashed and died the blacks started to riot.

Idiots all of them.
Just kick those fuckers out and problem solved.

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Scud · November 6th, 2005, 10:28 PM

No that's realistic.

hajj · November 6th, 2005, 10:50 PM

Wasnt Finland one of the safest countries in world? Are you afraid that this might happen to you images/smilies/wink.gif

Statistics in Germany have shown that the most racist attacks happen in the East of Germany where the fewest foreigner live. You dont have a problem with those people and chances are very small that this will happen in Finland.

November 5th, 2005, 06:43 PM	#1
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November 6th, 2005, 12:29 AM	#4
YF19pilot Joined: Apr 15th, 2005 Last Online: December 1st, 2008 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Age: 24 Posts: 1,944 Car: 1990 Volvo 740 GL LFS Status: Rep Power: 18	They [the rioters] have already demonstrated lethal violence towards bystanders and police. And it's not just one or two guys, it's the entire lot. That is grounds for lethal force, in my opinion. I'm not saying the French army should come in and mow everyone down. If possible, they should bring this to an end with as little harm done as possible. But the riots have gone on for 9 days. There is no purpose, it's just chaotic rampaging. It needs to stop now before it gets out of hand and consumes the nation as a whole. The French government needs to grow some balls, and some pretty big ones, very soon, or they won't have a country to govern. I also don't see this as being something that'll burn itself out anytime soon, because there's no cause to fight for. It's just sensles random rioting over nothing. Not even soccer/football. The best thing to do is to blockade the rioting districts as best as they can and move in from there. If that's not possible, they need to send the riot squads or whoever to go in there and kick some ass. I know Americans are disliked for their pro-active choices, but you can only be pasive for so long... __________________

November 6th, 2005, 06:19 AM	#9
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November 6th, 2005, 05:38 PM	#16
Firecat Politically Charged Joined: Mar 23rd, 2005 Last Online: 04:51 PM Posts: 3,614 Rep Power: 28	It has already been mentioned in this thread. I think the death of the kids were merely a catalyst. Poverty was mentioned. But even other policy may have contributed, like the french ban of headscarves in schools. I don't think this has anything to do with immigration. There are riots going on in Argentina right now. There were riots etc after hurricane Katrina. Not too long ago, there were riots in some other american city after a neo-nazi group staged a demonstration. If people are pissed off, they will riot. Immigrants or non-immigrants. And it was the imperialist past of France which resulted in the large amount of immigration (from North Africa in particular). Hey, You reap what you sow. __________________

November 6th, 2005, 12:08 AM	#3
zenkidori Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809 Car: RX-7, Jeep Cherokee Rep Power: 0	These people are stupid, they trash thier own neighborhoods because two kids were stupid and electrocuted themselves, running from the police. They have no reason to be upset, it's a tragic accident. Even if the police were chasing them for whatever reason, they climbed the fence and died of thier own accord. The police should respond to them like any senseless riot, with tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons and batons.

November 6th, 2005, 01:04 AM	#5
Renesis Lazier than Viper Joined: Nov 27th, 2003 Last Online: December 1st, 2008 Location: Quebec, Canada Age: 21 Posts: 9,677 Car: 2007 Pontiac G5 GT LFS Status: Rep Power: 0	I say kick all those immigrants out.. I'm all for everyone staying in their own country.. no matter who's immigrating where, well up to some point, but you get my drift..

November 6th, 2005, 01:37 AM	#7
swek Global Moderator Joined: May 19th, 2004 Last Online: 09:35 PM Location: Hamburg, Germany Age: 26 Posts: 4,335 Car: Does a bicycle count? Rep Power: 45	What's going on here ? All you people act like there's no reason for them to be mad. Sure, hurting innocent bystanders, the police or anyone else is wrong by any means, but I can understand them to a certain degree. How would you feel living in a ghetto, probably unimployed in the third generation and basicly forgotton by your own gouvernment. That's a lot of agression that was boung to break free at a time. If you take a look all over Europe you'll see the same pattern. Everywhere where immigration is high. Ghettos, poor education etc. You could say, well that's their own fault. They didn't want to assimilate, but that's the easy way out. You got to think about solutions here. Hosing them down and sending them home is not a long term solution. We gotta ask ourselves if we want want to accept the fact that everyone who grows up in such a surrounding is lost or do we want to change this scheme ? It's not like the problem will go away if you close your eyes.

November 6th, 2005, 02:53 AM	#8
zenkidori Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809 Car: RX-7, Jeep Cherokee Rep Power: 0	It's nobody's fault but thier own, they should be held accountable for thier actions. Thinking about why these poor immigrants are mad isn't going to stop the rioting. We've seen this type of behaviour in the US, no matter what type of ladder you give, some people just won't climb out of thier rut. Being poor and unhappy is NO excuse for MURDER or massive destruction.

November 6th, 2005, 05:22 PM	#15
haha604 Joined: Dec 28th, 2003 Last Online: February 13th, 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1,051 Rep Power: 0	The unfortunate incident of the two boys was just a catalyst. These rioters have probably been unhappy with the French government for quite a long while.

November 6th, 2005, 05:55 PM	#17
Scud Joined: Dec 12th, 2004 Last Online: October 6th, 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 458 Rep Power: 0	So 2 idiots running from the law gets fried and all hell breaks lose. This just shows how stupid these people are. Same in USA when a black guy on a bike was chased by the cops and when he crashed and died the blacks started to riot. Idiots all of them. Just kick those fuckers out and problem solved.

November 6th, 2005, 10:28 PM	#19
Scud Joined: Dec 12th, 2004 Last Online: October 6th, 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 458 Rep Power: 0	No that's realistic.

November 6th, 2005, 10:50 PM	#20
hajj Joined: Mar 29th, 2005 Last Online: 09:05 PM Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,648 Rep Power: 18	Wasnt Finland one of the safest countries in world? Are you afraid that this might happen to you Statistics in Germany have shown that the most racist attacks happen in the East of Germany where the fewest foreigner live. You dont have a problem with those people and chances are very small that this will happen in Finland.

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