Maximum Security Prisons

[Jostyrostelli]

Let's bring back some discussion (and some flaming for other people) and new topic:

What should be done to people who have done serious crimes (murder, rape etc.)

Put them in a Max. Security Prison and let them outside for 1 hour per day, let them call someone 1 time each week.

Or, give them some space and let them be social with other inmates, and be active in programs and contribute and learn in their life in prison.

I personally think people won't get any better when isolated, they still have the same problems and at one point they need to get back to society. So I think they should be more social, let them talk about their problems and let them talk to people who have lost relatives by a crime.

What do you think?

I'm talking about people who are going back into society.

[Firecat]

I think an emphasis should be put on rehabilitation, but that doesn't mean one should lose sight of the reason why there are. Which is two-part, punishment and public safety.

[Jostyrostelli]

Yeah, well if they are put into a locked cell for lets say 20 hours, and get 4 hours per day rehabilitation/active talking to victims/learning stuff about how to change lives etc, then I think it would work alot better then locking someone with noone to talk to.

I think you should also look at how those people are brought back into society, they won't be a better person after sitting in an isolated cell for 10 years.

[///M]

It depends on what you plan to do with a prisoner, and the specific circumstances of each prisoner.

If you plan on releasing them, rehabilitiation and reconsiliation are the best case scenarios. Victims getting involved in the process helps everyone.

If a prisoner is doing life, then it doesn't make much of a difference what you do to them, correct?

I also don't think people that do 10 years generally spend 20 hours in a cell, correct me if I'm wrong here.

[Jostyrostelli]

Originally Posted by ///M

It depends on what you plan to do with a prisoner, and the specific circumstances of each prisoner.

If you plan on releasing them, rehabilitiation and reconsiliation are the best case scenarios. Victims getting involved in the process helps everyone.

If a prisoner is doing life, then it doesn't make much of a difference what you do to them, correct?

I also don't think people that do 10 years generally spend 20 hours in a cell, correct me if I'm wrong here.

Well the reason why I posted this, I saw a documentary about Max Sec Prision in Ohio, one guy had 23hours in his cell and 1 hour outside, he had been there 1for 16months and he only said his sentence was raised with one year without reason/explaination.

Also, that prison costs alot of money (guards), there were 450 inmates and some researchcentre went there and concluded that only 200 were supposed to be there. They said it's all about the costs..can't have empty cells.

I personally don't really care what happens to people who rape kids or do other harm to people and are locked down for their entire lifes, but fact is, they costs society alot of money.

[Ultra_Kool_Dude]

I'm pretty ignorant about how both scenarios have worked in the past. I'd say the biggest priority is to keep the public safe.

I think some kind of extremely tough boot camp that would build self-respect could work to rehabilitate some people...

[SL65]

I have to say, if ur in a maximum security prison in the first place, you have huge problems fitting into society (obviously otherwise you wouldnt be there ). So with that in mind, why bother trying to get these people to become more "sociable" because its not like they are going to see the outside world for the rest of their life eh...

Thats my view, take it or leave it.

[zenkidori]

Maximum security prisons are usually for people who won't be let out anyway, so rehabilitation is kinda moot.

[Jostyrostelli]

Originally Posted by SL65AMG~V12~604BHP!!!!!!!

I have to say, if ur in a maximum security prison in the first place, you have huge problems fitting into society (obviously otherwise you wouldnt be there ). So with that in mind, why bother trying to get these people to become more "sociable" because its not like they are going to see the outside world for the rest of their life eh...

Thats my view, take it or leave it.

As I said, 200 of the 450 inmates didn't belong in there, and people in a Max Sec Prison don't all have a lifelongs sentence. They will, at some point, return to society.

How do you want them to be then, being locked for 10 years in an isolated cell, or what I mentioned above?

[cvrefugee]

Criminals should get what they deserve, no more, no less.

[Jostyrostelli]

Originally Posted by cvg

Criminals should get what they deserve, no more, no less.

So, you think someone who comes back into society should be isolated as much as possible? You think people will get out of prison better then they came in?

[bone]

what about a second australia?

put all dangerous people on 1 island, they might come along, or kill each other

problem solved in both cases

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

So, you think someone who comes back into society should be isolated as much as possible? You think people will get out of prison better then they came in?

I think you've seen Shawshank Redemption one too many times.

[zenkidori]

Originally Posted by bone

what about a second australia?

put all dangerous people on 1 island, they might come along, or kill each other

problem solved in both cases

send them to Iraq :0

[Jostyrostelli]

Originally Posted by cvg

I think you've seen Shawshank Redemption one too many times.

So what does that have to mean?

In case your question is serious, no I don't know it.

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

So what does that have to mean?

In case your question is serious, no I don't know it.

What I mean is that I don't think criminals should be treated like normal citizens. They lost their freedom by disobeying the law. Now, I don't believe criminals should be treated harshly (like beating them) but they shouldn't be allowed the luxuries law-abiding citizens enjoy.

Shoot, if a criminal is released from prison and commits the same crime, what have they learned from all their time in jail? How can somebody not reform themselves after spending months or years in prison?

[ESPNSTI]

Originally Posted by cvg

How can somebody not reform themselves after spending months or years in prison?

Because the environment in jail probably isn't conducive for reform, worse yet, it most likely is a perfect training ground on how to become a more successful criminal.

[Jostyrostelli]

Originally Posted by cvg

What I mean is that I don't think criminals should be treated like normal citizens. They lost their freedom by disobeying the law. Now, I don't believe criminals should be treated harshly (like beating them) but they shouldn't be allowed the luxuries law-abiding citizens enjoy.

Shoot, if a criminal is released from prison and commits the same crime, what have they learned from all their time in jail? How can somebody not reform themselves after spending months or years in prison?

I agree with you 100%, I couldn't care less if they were being poked with needles every day...but I think you need to think beyond that, you can try to change criminals in prison, in that doc I saw it worked really well, MANALIVE was the group called. You can choose to punish but maybe those people will come out of prison bittered and will continue their lifestyle because they gone crazy in jail. Maybe try to change them, get them in one of those groups, if they recidivide (sp?), or do another crime, then punish them harder or whatever you like.

And yes as ESPN said, you can't reform on your own, in max sec prisons their aren't any people to talk to daily other than a psychiatrist..

[justin syder]

selling drugs...rehabilitate

robbing a store...rehabilitate

Molesting kids, rape, murder...keep them away from society. Those type of ppl, in maximum security prisons, are not rehabilitable. They grew up or were seriously messed up in the head to the point where it cant be undone.

Try rehabilitating a murderer that grew up torturing animals, setting fires, beating up others etc. For most in maximum security prison it cant be done. Id rather not be ¨nice¨ to them and keep them locked up than to try to rehabilitate them and have them commit a crime when they got out.

[Ultra_Kool_Dude]

Originally Posted by justin syder

selling drugs...rehabilitate

robbing a store...rehabilitate

Molesting kids, rape, murder...keep them away from society. Those type of ppl, in maximum security prisons, are not rehabilitable. They grew up or were seriously messed up in the head to the point where it cant be undone.

Try rehabilitating a murderer that grew up torturing animals, setting fires, beating up others etc. For most in maximum security prison it cant be done. Id rather not be ¨nice¨ to them and keep them locked up than to try to rehabilitate them and have them commit a crime when they got out.

Someone's getting soft.

I agree