North Korea goes Nuts

[BlaRo]

Launches 7 missiles into the Sea of Japan, scares the hell out of everybody, especially Japan for obvious reasons.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5149512.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5149534.stm

[watto]

I must admit, I had a little chuckle when I heard that the UN Sec Council had had an emergency meeting. I just thought of them writing a letter saying how angry they were with the North Koreans

But seriously. North Korea is crumbling, their economy is in the shit. Let the regime implode and hope that they don't use the missiles directly against anyone.

Australia has cancelled some visit they were going to make to Pyongyang and have restricted travel on N. Korean diplomats.

Has Dubya said anything yet??

[eddysdaman]

I heard the same.

I gotta admit, the fact that someone is even launching missiles in my life time scares the sh*t out of me. You'd think we'd be past our own political disputes considering our history and yet. Others continue, Obviously we're all hoping nothing comes of this, but Its got to be said.... they can't be testing for the hell of it.

[Cobol74]

Its a negotiating ploy - I hope. Or are they really nuts? Why has not China told them off I wonder?

[tranceshakeel]

Originally Posted by eddysdaman

I heard the same.

I gotta admit, the fact that someone is even launching missiles in my life time scares the sh*t out of me.

same for israel, right, they are using brutal force right now.

[mmap]

Hmmm... NK TESTS weapons and the UN panics and a lot of countires start to make statements etc.

Israel USES weapons, invades and kils and no one seems to be bothered???

[Kebab gud]

Originally Posted by mmap

Hmmm... NK TESTS weapons and the UN panics and a lot of countires start to make statements etc.

Israel USES weapons, invades and kils and no one seems to be bothered???

the diffrence is that isreal was created by the UN while the UN is still tecnicaly at war with NK

(yes.. this might come as a surpise to you americans.. the korean war was not an american war... OHH!!)


The fact is that if something issent done soon.. our kids will grow up in a world without japan! .. OMG!!
our kids wont know the joy of watching japanese gameshows !

If there has ever been a more justified reson to go to war .. please tell me! (WWII is a given)

now.. i have a plan..
first step is to carpet bomb NK with flyers.. they will fight for there president becouse they this they have a good deal there.. if they get to se how people in south korea has it.. they just might drop there wepons..
and we must protect the south! ..
fuck Kia, Daewoo and hyundai.. but never fuck with Samsung and LG...
oh and having the tenth largest economy in the world bombd does hell on the stock marked...

then we just bomb them back to the .... ehh .. what came before where they are now? ..
right now there in the stone-age or something.. twig-age?

and finaly the world needs to step up and help build an infrastructure..
then the south can retake controle ..

good plan right?

[zenkidori]

True, but let's try and keep this one on topic.

This is not good for our Japanese friends, and I bet the SDF is on high alert and working with the US stationed there just in case. NK is no good, hopefully Kim kicks the bucket soon and the regime changes to something a bit more friendly.

[budzi]

Hello guys

It is east Asia, and there the appareances are stronger than the facts

NK is alone on the world and they know they cannot stand a war

[hokiethang]

Originally Posted by budzi

Hello guys

It is east Asia, and there the appareances are stronger than the facts

NK is alone on the world and they know they cannot stand a war

I tend to agree a bit on this point though. Even though they launched these missiles, they have to realize that no matter how much "deterrent" they have, they have no allies (except possibly Iran), and the people they would attack have much more "deterrent". (as an aside, in recent news articles the NK government has referred to their nuclear weapon stockpile as "deterrent" to a pre-emptive attack by the US).

I think this BBC quote says it best,

North Korea is the aggressive wolf child, twisted by years in the wilderness. It clearly needs a hug but is afraid to ask for one.

Link to article

[Cobol74]

^ Wow what a good quote - big up the BBC.

[zenkidori]

I think of it more as a rabid dog, needing a bullet in the head.

[hokiethang]

Originally Posted by zenkidori

I think of it more as a rabid dog, needing a bullet in the head.

Personally, I agree with that statement as well. I would like to see nothing more than the two Korea's to be rejoined, under a sane leader. It would do wonders for stability in Asia, and probably the rest of the world (as it seems that NK and Iran feed off the other's defiance of the rest of the world).

There's just no means at the moment to make it happen. The US resources are all tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan (as well as China and Russia, probably wouldn't like us fighting on their doorsteps uninvited). For some reason China protects NK, granted not in military force or overt political support, but they supply NK with supplies, and make weak public statements "regretting the actions of NK" instead of whole heartedly admonishing them. China could use their influence to change North Korea but they choose not to. I guess as long as NK is seen as the crazy destabilizing regime in the region, the Chinese government stays out of the spotlight as the second most likely government to cause trouble in the region (like using military force on Taiwan?).

Plus getting the support here at home for attacking North Korea would be about as easy as making an ice sculpture in the middle of the Mojave Desert. I personally would support it, as long as it wasn't crazily restricted, as all of the previous battles we were not unconditionally victorious in. Military leaders need to make the decisions on targets, not politicians.

[Kebab gud]

millatary action on north korea is the only kind of millatary action everyone can agree on....
WE MUST PROTECT JAPAN! .. THINK OF ALL THE CRAZY GAMESHOWS!!
i find it hard to belive that people whould protest in the same maner as lets say the iraq war ( come on .. it was doomed from day 1..)

[hokiethang]

Originally Posted by Kebab gud

millatary action on north korea is the only kind of millatary action everyone can agree on....
WE MUST PROTECT JAPAN! .. THINK OF ALL THE CRAZY GAMESHOWS!!
i find it hard to belive that people whould protest in the same maner as lets say the iraq war ( come on .. it was doomed from day 1..)

Sadly there are people in this country that think that the Bush administration is wrong no matter what it does.

I was actually just reading an article on CNN about reasons for trying to push diplomacy to work. One particularly good observation was about the reasons why we can't treat Iran and NK the same as we did Iraq. Iraq wasn't able to attack any of our allies or inflict massive damage on an ally when we attacked them. In hindsight attacking Iraq may have been a mistake (or at least doing it the way we did), but it's a mistake that can't be undone. It's also a mistake made worse by pulling our support out before they are back on their feet, and before we have righted the wrongs (which sure won't do shit to stop terrorists).

Iran is right next to an extremely fragile new country, and any military push in to Iraq, by the Iranians would likely topple the governing body, and inflict massive casualties in both American Forces and Iraqi civilians.

For North Korea people seem to be too fixated on their nuclear weapons, for they have a HUGE conventional army. The North Koreans have 13,000 pieces of artillery, and 1.2 million soldiers, mostly positioned near the border with South Korea. Any provocation of the North Koreans could end with 300,000 - 500,000 artillery shells an hour landing in the world's 10th largest economy, Seoul.

So a military solution isn't really an option, because I doubt that the country of South Korea would like to have 300,000 artillery shells landing on it's capital. An air campaign could probably take out most of those artillery pieces, but not before they get a few shells launched. Covert strikes would be good, but complicated with Don King, I mean Kim Jong Il, because he currently thinks the US is planning a military strike, so anything that isn't normal might cause him to pull the trigger on destroying South Korea. I guess there is always the nuclear option, however I don't think South Korea would like that either (radiation is probably worse than a crazy dictator living next door, I dunno, never experienced either).

[zenkidori]

If we weren't spread so thinly right now I think we could come up with a decent plan of attack with minimal losses. KJI obviously poses a MUCH larger threat than Hussein ever could have.

We should just speed up production of the F22 and fast track my training before my degree

Without that crazy monkey on thier backs I think Korea could do very well.

[Firecat]

The United States has no business attacking North Korea.

[zenkidori]

In defense of our allies, South Korea and Japan, yes indeed we do.

[gtrietsc]

If Nk were to attack Japan, just WATCH how fast we would be on their ass.

[FATMOUSE]

^Yes, but at the same time we shouldn't start anything. Too much risk involved.

EDIT: Unless they start first.