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bone · January 21st, 2005, 06:58 AM

WHY THE HELL DID BUSH PLACE HIS HAND ON THE BIBLE?

america is a democraty right? i taught in a democratie church and state were seperated? and does this mean only christians can be president?

how week is that for "the countrie of freedom"

Viper007Bond · January 21st, 2005, 07:02 AM

'Cause you always swear on the bible here which I find really stupid.

bone · January 21st, 2005, 08:34 AM

yeah, over here they have to swear on the constitution, not on a roman

and this is funny images/smilies/biggrin.gif

http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/...event_id=14994

swek · January 21st, 2005, 04:11 PM

I saw the ceremony on TV and it sounded like Bush gave his oath to Dart Vader. images/smilies/lol.gif

bigfoot1942 · January 21st, 2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bone

WHY THE HELL DID BUSH PLACE HIS HAND ON THE BIBLE?

america is a democracy right? i thought in a democracy church and state were separated? and does this mean only christians can be president?

how week is that for "the country of freedom"

sorry i couldnt help it... youre not that bad in english but why this?

and to answer your question: separation of state and church was invented by some dude (i forgotten his name) but it isnt a requirement for a democracy.

And whats bad with it? you think bush should have used something else? if the Bible is that important to him, why would you deny it?

bone · January 21st, 2005, 04:59 PM

tjah, who knows images/smilies/smile.gif

probably just typing to fast, in english, while thinking in dutch

democracy - democratie, realy not that much difference hu?
country, not that many words in dutch which end with y, might explain this mistake
and taught, does it exist, or did i just made that word up?

and frankly, i don't give a fuck about spelling mistakez images/smilies/wink.gif

justin syder · January 21st, 2005, 05:07 PM

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america is a democracy right? i thought in a democracy church and state were separated? and does this mean only christians can be president?

This is just plain ignorance.

You are tolled to swear on the Bible to affirm that you are telling the truth, just as you would have to swear on the Bible in court. It is tradition that dates way back and has no implication that you have to be religious.

Most or all presidents say or claim to be religious because an atheist president would not do well (be elected) in a country that has over 96% believing in religion or higher power.

As for the prayer during the ceremony, each president can choose to have pray or not during THEIR inauguration ceremony so dont feel so surprised when you hear about it since you didnt mention it or for others that were confused/surprised to see pray at the ceremony.

Viper007Bond · January 21st, 2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by justin syder

You are tolled to swear on the Bible to affirm that you are telling the truth, just as you would have to swear on the Bible in court. It is tradition that dates way back and has no implication that you have to be religious.

So you'd be okay if you had to swear on the book of Islam?

bone · January 21st, 2005, 05:21 PM

if our kings has to do the oath, he places his hands on the constitution, the basis of the country, not some religious thing

Viper007Bond · January 21st, 2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bone

if our kings has to do the oath, he places his hands on the constitution, the basis of the country, not some religious thing

I don't see that happening for us. Our constitution is like in 8" think bullet proof glass and stored in like a nuke proof safe at night.

justin syder · January 21st, 2005, 05:34 PM

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if our kings has to do the oath, he places his hands on the constitution, the basis of the country, not some religious thing

No surprise, europe has a "no-religion" attitude so religion to you guys is a hassle or dumb or not necessary.

Im pretty sure you didnt know this viper but the pres swears his oath on somthing sacred to him, all presidents elected were catholic so they swear on the bible.

If Joseph Lieberman were elected president then he would swear on the torah. If a muslim president were elected he would do it on the koran.

I would not swear on the koran because I would swear on the bible which is based on my beliefs.

bone · January 21st, 2005, 05:39 PM

in that case... it makes sence

ESPNSTI · January 21st, 2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by justin syder

Im pretty sure you didnt know this viper but the pres swears his oath on somthing sacred to him, all presidents elected were catholic so they swear on the bible.

If Joseph Lieberman were elected president then he would swear on the torah. If a muslim president were elected he would do it on the koran.

I would not swear on the koran because I would swear on the bible which is based on my beliefs.

I did not know that, I guess if I were ever become president, I'd have to drive my STI up the steps and place my hand on the roof. images/smilies/lol.gif

mmap · January 21st, 2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by justin syder

No surprise, europe has a "no-religion" attitude so religion to you guys is a hassle or dumb or not necessary.

Ahm, NO. We just realise that while someone believes one thing someone else believes into something else and there is no right or wrong belief...

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Originally Posted by justin syder

...the pres swears his oath on somthing sacred to him, all presidents elected were catholic so they swear on the bible.

I sort of thought that it would be the case, Bush is openly christian so it only makes sence to swear on the bible, if he would use the coran or something else I would seriously think something was wrong.

And ESPNSTI,
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bigfoot1942 · January 21st, 2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by muumipeikko

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin syder

No surprise, europe has a "no-religion" attitude so religion to you guys is a hassle or dumb or not necessary.

Ahm, NO. We just realise that while someone believes one thing someone else believes into something else and there is no right or wrong belief...

i hope you realise you could be wrong though...

Viper007Bond · January 21st, 2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by justin syder

Im pretty sure you didnt know this viper but the pres swears his oath on somthing sacred to him, all presidents elected were catholic so they swear on the bible.

If Joseph Lieberman were elected president then he would swear on the torah. If a muslim president were elected he would do it on the koran.

I would not swear on the koran because I would swear on the bible which is based on my beliefs.

Mmm, no I did not.

mmap · January 21st, 2005, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bigfoot1942

i hope you realise you could be wrong though...

About what? Religion being a hassle or about the fact that there is no right belief? images/smilies/biggrin.gif

No seriously though, of course I can be wrong I am stating only my own view on the matter. I should probably have a sig saying this.

justin syder · January 21st, 2005, 06:36 PM

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i hope you realise you could be wrong though...

There is a 50% chance of that.

Ill say this, if there is really a god and the back of the Bible is correct, revelation and the anti-christ, then i really hope you are right cause some really scary shit will happen...if its all true you know. images/smilies/wink.gif

Daniel · January 21st, 2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by justin syder

If Joseph Lieberman were elected president then he would swear on the torah. If a muslim president were elected he would do it on the koran.

I would not swear on the koran because I would swear on the bible which is based on my beliefs.

So what should I swear on? My car? images/smilies/lol.gif

justin syder · January 21st, 2005, 08:43 PM

There hasnt been an atheist president so I dont know.

I would assume the bible because it is done in court the same way, a witness will have to swear on the bible to tell the truth the whole truth...

Nah, I dont know I cant say that I really know if someone like you, an atheist, would have to swear on the bible. It wouldnt make sense for an atheist to swear on the bible. anyone want to find out, be my guest.

Def not ur car though... the bus you take maybe... images/smilies/mrgreen.gif

January 21st, 2005, 06:58 AM	#1
bone "bangle for president" Joined: Jan 14th, 2004 Last Online: 06:53 PM Location: belgium!! Age: 24 Posts: 6,086 Car: yamaha banshee (and an opel astra from work) Rep Power: 29	oath WHY THE HELL DID BUSH PLACE HIS HAND ON THE BIBLE? america is a democraty right? i taught in a democratie church and state were seperated? and does this mean only christians can be president? how week is that for "the countrie of freedom"

January 21st, 2005, 07:02 AM	#2
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 10:01 AM Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,086 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 237	'Cause you always swear on the bible here which I find really stupid. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

January 21st, 2005, 08:34 AM	#3
bone "bangle for president" Joined: Jan 14th, 2004 Last Online: 06:53 PM Location: belgium!! Age: 24 Posts: 6,086 Car: yamaha banshee (and an opel astra from work) Rep Power: 29	yeah, over here they have to swear on the constitution, not on a roman and this is funny http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/...event_id=14994 __________________ groups/artists i've seen live: coldplay, the cure, cypress hill, damian marley, deftones, depeche mode, dEUS, franz ferdinand, grandaddy, guns n' roses, interpol, jamiroquai, korn, lenny kravits, marilyn manson, massive attack, metallica, moby, muse, the pixies, placebo, prodigy, queens of the stone age, the raconteurs, radiohead, red hot chili peppers, REM, skin, tool, the who, Wu-Tang and so many more...

January 21st, 2005, 04:59 PM	#6
bone "bangle for president" Joined: Jan 14th, 2004 Last Online: 06:53 PM Location: belgium!! Age: 24 Posts: 6,086 Car: yamaha banshee (and an opel astra from work) Rep Power: 29	tjah, who knows probably just typing to fast, in english, while thinking in dutch democracy - democratie, realy not that much difference hu? country, not that many words in dutch which end with y, might explain this mistake and taught, does it exist, or did i just made that word up? and frankly, i don't give a fuck about spelling mistakez __________________ groups/artists i've seen live: coldplay, the cure, cypress hill, damian marley, deftones, depeche mode, dEUS, franz ferdinand, grandaddy, guns n' roses, interpol, jamiroquai, korn, lenny kravits, marilyn manson, massive attack, metallica, moby, muse, the pixies, placebo, prodigy, queens of the stone age, the raconteurs, radiohead, red hot chili peppers, REM, skin, tool, the who, Wu-Tang and so many more...

January 21st, 2005, 05:21 PM	#9
bone "bangle for president" Joined: Jan 14th, 2004 Last Online: 06:53 PM Location: belgium!! Age: 24 Posts: 6,086 Car: yamaha banshee (and an opel astra from work) Rep Power: 29	if our kings has to do the oath, he places his hands on the constitution, the basis of the country, not some religious thing __________________ groups/artists i've seen live: coldplay, the cure, cypress hill, damian marley, deftones, depeche mode, dEUS, franz ferdinand, grandaddy, guns n' roses, interpol, jamiroquai, korn, lenny kravits, marilyn manson, massive attack, metallica, moby, muse, the pixies, placebo, prodigy, queens of the stone age, the raconteurs, radiohead, red hot chili peppers, REM, skin, tool, the who, Wu-Tang and so many more...

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swek Global Moderator Joined: May 19th, 2004 Last Online: 06:49 PM Location: Hamburg, Germany Age: 26 Posts: 4,345 Car: Does a bicycle count? Rep Power: 47	I saw the ceremony on TV and it sounded like Bush gave his oath to Dart Vader.

January 21st, 2005, 05:39 PM	#12
bone "bangle for president" Joined: Jan 14th, 2004 Last Online: 06:53 PM Location: belgium!! Age: 24 Posts: 6,086 Car: yamaha banshee (and an opel astra from work) Rep Power: 29	in that case... it makes sence __________________ groups/artists i've seen live: coldplay, the cure, cypress hill, damian marley, deftones, depeche mode, dEUS, franz ferdinand, grandaddy, guns n' roses, interpol, jamiroquai, korn, lenny kravits, marilyn manson, massive attack, metallica, moby, muse, the pixies, placebo, prodigy, queens of the stone age, the raconteurs, radiohead, red hot chili peppers, REM, skin, tool, the who, Wu-Tang and so many more...

January 21st, 2005, 08:43 PM	#20
justin syder Joined: Dec 8th, 2003 Last Online: October 29th, 2007 Location: New York, USA Age: 27 Posts: 4,087 Car: 1986 Mercedes-Benz 300E Rep Power: 25	There hasnt been an atheist president so I dont know. I would assume the bible because it is done in court the same way, a witness will have to swear on the bible to tell the truth the whole truth... Nah, I dont know I cant say that I really know if someone like you, an atheist, would have to swear on the bible. It wouldnt make sense for an atheist to swear on the bible. anyone want to find out, be my guest. Def not ur car though... the bus you take maybe... __________________ Top Gear list http://forum.finalgear.com/viewtopic.php?t=179 5th Gear list http://forum.finalgear.com/viewtopic.php?t=931 Ich Fahre Deutschen, Ich Fahre Mercedes-Benz.

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