Putin’s ‘sovereign democracy’ looks familiar

[jayhawk]

Originally Posted by tigger

Is Putin trying to get another Cold War started or something?

If he is, good luck. With communications as they are now, the world is not isolated like it used to be, and the Russian government is pretty full of themselves if they think that type of propaganda will work.

If you look back 17 years ago, it was not guns and soldiers that brought down the USSR, but Pepsi and Levi's.

[nomix]

Originally Posted by tigger

Is Putin trying to get another Cold War started or something?

Yes. Even though you allready broke most of the missile agreements with your Star Wars program, and the further development of nukes.

Not defending Putin, he's an arse, but let's not make this a one sided argument.

Originally Posted by American TG Man

Putin seems to be encroaching toward becoming a modern-day Stalin, in my opinion.

There's a long way to that.

There will never be a new Stalin, people won't forget what even such a independant leader as Khrusjtsjov. Stalin is unthinkable, even under the USSR, a new Stalin could NEVER happen.

[jetsetter]

Yes. Even though you allready broke most of the missile agreements with your Star Wars program, and the further development of nukes.

The US withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002. At the time the only country operating an Anti-Ballistic missile system was Russia. The US dismantled its system a few decades ago.

[Clown]

Originally Posted by jayhawk

If he is, good luck. With communications as they are now, the world is not isolated like it used to be, and the Russian government is pretty full of themselves if they think that type of propaganda will work.

All this great open knowledge didn't stop half the world from invading Iraq to find WMD's.

"Anything, even a lie, if repeated often enough and loudly enough, eventually becomes the truth."

Worked for Stalin
Worked for W Bush
And it'll work for Putin

[tigger]

Originally Posted by Clown

All this great open knowledge didn't stop half the world from invading Iraq to find WMD's.

"Anything, even a lie, if repeated often enough and loudly enough, eventually becomes the truth."

Worked for Stalin
Worked for W Bush
And it'll work for Putin

I saw a poll last year that said half the US still believed that Saddam had WMDs or was a threat to the US . And this is a country with a 'free press'. He will have a hell of a time locking down the internet through.

I don't think that we'll see another USSR, but Putin is working awfully hard to shut up his opponents and to make Russia appear to be a competitor with the US again.

[jetsetter]

Putin says foreigners meddling in Russia

MOSCOW - President Vladimir Putin charged Thursday that foreigners seeking to thwart Russia's resurgence are increasingly interfering in its affairs.

He also declared in his state-of-the-nation address that he will not seek a third term, but refused to suggest a successor and said nothing to quell speculation that he seeks to remain in power behind the scenes.

Putin's second term in office ends in 2008, and he is constitutionally barred from running for a third. While many observers have suggested he would try to stay in office, Putin again dismissed the idea.

"The next state of the nation address will be given by another head of state," he said.

He acknowledged expectations that he would take advantage of his speech to reveal his choice for a successor, then drew a laugh by saying "it is premature for me to declare a political will."

Russia enters a high-stakes political season this year with parliamentary elections in December, followed by presidential elections in March. Russian officials in recent months have complained that Western countries are trying to meddle in the political process by funding pro-democracy organizations, and Putin echoed those allegations.

"There is a growth in the flow of money from abroad for direct interference in our internal affairs," Putin said in his address, delivered to members of both houses or parliament.

"There are those who, skillfully using pseudo-democratic rhetoric, would like to return to the recent past — some to loot the country's national riches, to rob the people and the state; others to strip us of economic and political independence," Putin said.

Putin did not cite specific countries as sources of the funding. The Russian Foreign Ministry this month complained extensively about U.S. funding of democracy-promoting organizations in Russia.

Officials contend that such funding aims to provoke mass opposition protests such as those that helped propel pro-Western leaders into power in neighboring Georgia and Ukraine in recent years.

Police harshly cracked down on a series of opposition protest marches this year, beating some demonstrators and detaining hundreds.

Opposition forces charge that Putin is strangling democracy through an array of measures to centralize power and increase the influence of large political parties such as his allied United Russia party, which dominates the Russian parliament.

This year's parliamentary elections will see seats distributed entirely on a party-list basis, eliminating the opportunity for small parties to win seats through strong local support in particular districts — a change that critics say is among the measures to smother opposition.

But Putin, in his speech, said it was part of "a revolutionary step modernizing the elections system ... (it will) help the opposition widen its representation."

The death Monday of Putin's predecessor, Boris Yeltsin, drew new attention to complaints that Putin is heading the country away from democracy. Yeltsin, as Russia's first post-Soviet leader, worked changes that encouraged pluralism and nudged the country toward democracy.

But Putin clearly aimed to portray himself as the curator of Yeltsin's legacy. He began the speech by calling for deputies to stand in silence in memory of Yeltsin and later called for a national library to be established in his name.

Putin also praised the development of Russia's economy, which has soared during his presidency, driven largely by high world oil prices. But he called for more of the country's revenues to be applied to improving the lives of its citizens, many of whom have been left behind in the boom and find themselves with insufficient pensions and unable to afford to move out of deteriorating Soviet housing.

He proposed a $10 billion fund to repair housing and resettle residents, saying: "It is inadmissible for a country with such reserves accumulated from its oil and gas revenues to be at peace with the fact that millions of its citizens live in Khrushchev-era housing."

So-called "Khrushchevki" are hastily built blocks of cramped apartments that are among Russia's most widely despised housing.

Putin also called for initiating a program under which the government would match every 1,000 rubles, or $40, that citizens put into private pension plans.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070426/...u/russia_putin

[tigger]

Originally Posted by jetsetter

my thoughts exactly. So he is silencing opposition through what sounds like gerrymandering (among other more direct methods) and complaining about pro-democratic investment, all while improving the lives of the poorest Russians and gaining their support. I gotta give credit where credit is due; the man knows how to solidify his power. Sounds like a situation right out of The Prince lol.