Report Likens Economic Effects of Global Warming to World Wars and Great Depression

[Shawn]

Here is the Wikipedia article with details and links.

I am in no way an environmentalist but this makes you wonder. If he's correct then we're all screwed.

[Cobol74]

Probably on the right lines but the solutions are all bollocks. Someone has got a hidden agenda here.

[Shawn]

Everyone in politics has a secret agenda... I guess it's a matter of which is less evil.

[asthenia]

I haven't read it yet -- the "executive summary" is 27 pages long -- but I think it's long overdue that somebody quantified what we all ought to have known all along.

Yes, it will cost money to 'mitigate' global warming (let's not kid ourselves about killing it altogether), but it would ironically cost a lot more to ignore it and make excuses about hurting the economy. We don't have to ride cows and make candles and eat each other, just pay out a little climate insurance. Most of the money will come back anyway -- it all goes into the same economy, right?

Kind of a no-brainer, but it's about time someone published it.

[Peter3hg]

I really don't understand why people can't get round the idea that it is natural for this sort of thing to happen. At the absolute worst humans are very very slightly accelerating the problem, we certainly aren't the cause. After all we only contribute 0.28% of the greenhouse gases into the air. (Around 5% if you ignore water vapour). We only put 3.225% of CO2 into the air so there is really no point all these people getting round up about all the damage SUVs are doing to the planet because in short, they basically aren't.

[bone]

peter3hg2 for president!

[No Boss]

Originally Posted by bone

peter3hg2 for president!

Peter3hg2, exactly. That's what I've been telling everyone.

Let alone the fact that the sun goes through it's series of maxima's and minima's every 11 years. And I believe rightnow, or just these passed few years, we went through a maxima.

[jayjaya29]

Bwahahaah I can't believe how misguided you guys are.

Read "Why Geography Matters" by Harm de Blij and then come back and say what you just said again.

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Geography-.../dp/0195183010

Enjoy.

[Peter3hg]

It doesn't sound like a particually good book so I won't bother.

Originally Posted by From Publishers Weekly

De Blij, a geography professor and former National Geographic Society editor, seeks to rekindle interest in his discipline with this unfocused survey of the world and its discontents. Struggling to describe his notoriously hard-to-define field, de Blij suggests that geographers "look at things spatially" as opposed to "temporally" or "structurally," the "things" being a grab bag of phenomena, including climate, topography, demographics, national boundaries and the distribution of languages, religions, energy deposits and pipelines. It's an often illuminating perspective, nicely visualized in the book's many splendid maps. Unfortunately, while mapping things spatially is a very useful methodology, it doesn't add up to a coherent analytical framework, and often boils down to simply compiling information about places. As a result, de Blij's discussions of global developments, including European integration, the decline of Russia, Africa's ongoing travails and the three challenges mentioned in the title, amount to extremely well-informed but hardly groundbreaking rehashes of conventional wisdom. (Aug.)

[fbc]

Originally Posted by peter3hg2

I really don't understand why people can't get round the idea that it is natural for this sort of thing to happen. At the absolute worst humans are very very slightly accelerating the problem, we certainly aren't the cause. After all we only contribute 0.28% of the greenhouse gases into the air. (Around 5% if you ignore water vapour). We only put 3.225% of CO2 into the air so there is really no point all these people getting round up about all the damage SUVs are doing to the planet because in short, they basically aren't.

Originally Posted by bone

peter3hg2 for president!

Originally Posted by No Boss

Peter3hg2, exactly. That's what I've been telling everyone.

Let alone the fact that the sun goes through it's series of maxima's and minima's every 11 years. And I believe rightnow, or just these passed few years, we went through a maxima.

What I find annoying is that the media (and therefore the public at large) seem to lap up any nightmare-ish global warming / climate change report, yet other equally credible reports taking the opposing view don't get coverage, or worse their authors are accused of being in the oil companies' pockets.

[jayjaya29]

Originally Posted by peter3hg2

It doesn't sound like a particually good book so I won't bother.

Trust me, read it. I was skeptical about the book at first too, but it really sets the record straight on the 3 issues at hand.

All I have to say is that I've done some work related to this topic, and all scientific reports from all over the world say the Sun's output is normal, humans are drastically accelerating the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, and the north and south poles are shrinking rapidly everyday. I don't know about you, but to me that is more than enough proof for global warming.

[Peter3hg]

Originally Posted by jayjaya29

I don't know about you, but to me that is more than enough proof for global warming.

I never denied the existence of global warming. Only a fool would argue that global warming isn't happening. All I'm saying is our part in global warming is massively exaggerated.

[No Boss]

Originally Posted by peter3hg2

I never denied the existence of global warming. Only a fool would argue that global warming isn't happening. All I'm saying is our part in global warming is massively exaggerated.

Yeah that's all I'm saying too.

[WheatKing]

http://iceagenow.com/

intersting website to read..

basic premise is that the oceans are warming, due to underwater volcanic activity, and that ice packs are actually growing (with documented proof of glaciers growing) and that this is part of a very normal 11,500 year cycle..

global warming has progress from bad science to politics.. no surprise though.. it's a money maker. Real climatologists are saying what they were saying in the 70's.. it's gonna get colder.. not hotter..

[jayjaya29]

Originally Posted by WheatKing

Real climatologists are saying what they were saying in the 70's.. it's gonna get colder.. not hotter..

It has to get hot first for it to get cold.

[zenkidori]

Do your part to promote global warming, I'm doing mine:

[jayjaya29]

Dayum, how big is that tip? Like 6 inches?

[zenkidori]

4 I think, maybe 5, never measured. big.

[gtrietsc]

Ho boy, here we go again with the climate talk

Like someone earlier in this thread said, everyone that refutes the chicken little global warming arguments is accused of being in the oil companies pockets - but does no one think that "green" organizations don't *also* have a more sinister agenda than they let on? (Talking specifically about Greenpeace, but there are other organizations that I am sure are just as evil.)

[jayjaya29]

More evidence showing that humans are drastically affecting the atmosphere:

http://www.newscientisttech.com/arti...ine-news_rss20