Russia to claim north pole

CyberMonkey · August 1st, 2007, 7:45 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/as....ap/index.html

already a couple of days ago there was note of their plans, but now they seem to getting closer to execute it. I wonder how this will evolve, with other big nations like Canada and the US also wanting their share (in fact, the whole thing). But I don't like the fact that this increasingly vulnerable part of the world could become exploited for the recovery of other planet-up-fucking stuff, nor that the stakes for the competing countries are so high (huge amounts of gas, oil, precious metals and other expensive stuff). I wonder if this could lead to further souring of the us-russia relations and how Canada and denmark will fit in the picture.

Any thoughts?

mattjm321 · August 1st, 2007, 8:24 PM

I read an article today about it on my blackberry. The gist I got was it is a big PR stunt for Russia, who lets face it, haven't done anything interesting in thirty years. They said that the cost of getting oil from such a place outweighs the financial gain.

The question I had was they were basing their claim that it belongs to them because the ocean floor beneath the ice is a contiuation off of their continent. Couldn't the US say that half of the Atlantic is ours then too?

CyberMonkey · August 1st, 2007, 8:42 PM

About 100 scientists aboard the Akademik Fyodorov are looking for evidence that the Lomonosov Ridge -- a 1,240-mile underwater mountain range that crosses the polar region -- is a geologic extension of Russia, and therefore can be claimed by it under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea.

It seems like there is a law which allows countries to claim pieces of sea if there is some geological connection. Denmark tries to prove the same by saying that same mountian range connects to greenland.

ryosuke · August 1st, 2007, 8:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mattjm321

They said that the cost of getting oil from such a place outweighs the financial gain.

maybe today...

Quote:

The question I had was they were basing their claim that it belongs to them because the ocean floor beneath the ice is a contiuation off of their continent. Couldn't the US say that half of the Atlantic is ours then too?

no i don't think so

International law says that a country can claim rights to seabed within 200 miles (320 kilometers) of its continental shelf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_shelf

mattjm321 · August 1st, 2007, 8:51 PM

^I meant it to sound ridiculous.

^^Do you know of any examples where this law has been applied?

Cobol74 · August 1st, 2007, 9:49 PM

They want any oil on the continental shelf.

nomix · August 2nd, 2007, 2:28 AM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If the Russians take our territories on the pole, we will defend it with whale boats and catapulted captured German caravans.

BerserkerCatSplat · August 3rd, 2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nomix

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If the Russians take our territories on the pole, we will defend it with whale boats and catapulted captured German caravans.

Same here, however we'll probably have to resort to throwing frozen Timbits at them from fishing boats.

epp_b · August 3rd, 2007, 1:25 AM

^

nomix · August 3rd, 2007, 1:37 AM

You need to start hunting whales. Firstly, you will get a good laugh at environmentalists, secondly, the harpoons are F*CKING BADASS! images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Think a former member of the Norwegian parliament, the Storting, once sunk a Greenpeace raft with a harpoon.

marcos_eirik · August 5th, 2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nomix

You need to start hunting whales. Firstly, you will get a good laugh at environmentalists, secondly, the harpoons are F*CKING BADASS! images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Think a former member of the Norwegian parliament, the Storting, once sunk a Greenpeace raft with a harpoon.

Steinar Bastesen is awesome...!!!

nomix · August 5th, 2007, 5:14 PM

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Originally Posted by marcos_eirik

Steinar Bastesen is awesome...!!!

I know. Met him once. And some years, he's been on the Træna festival, selling whale burgers. images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Mate of mine put on his "Kystpartiet"-t-shirt when we had a political debate at our school at the last election, and he just said "yeah, I'm from Kystpartiet". images/smilies/biggrin.gif

marcos_eirik · August 5th, 2007, 5:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nomix

I know. Met him once. And some years, he's been on the Træna festival, selling whale burgers. images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Mate of mine put on his "Kystpartiet"-t-shirt when we had a political debate at our school at the last election, and he just said "yeah, I'm from Kystpartiet". images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Just had to post a picture of him with his famous seal-skin/fur vest, so that everybody can see what he looks like... images/smilies/lol.gif

Yes, this guy was a representative in our parliament...

http://multimedia.api.no/www.an.no/archive/00434/bastesen_434768h.jpg

Anyway why do we always end up talking about whaling...? images/smilies/lmao.gif

Whaling must be someting in the Norwegians national pride. I really regreted that I didn't buy that t-shirt with "We kill whales for fun" written on it...

nomix · August 5th, 2007, 7:37 PM

It's because the whole world thinks we all kill whales on May 17th as a part of our national celebration of the constitution.

As we all know, the founding fathers finished the constitution, then they went to Mjøsa to hunt whales.

The Big Four (Bjørnsterne Bjørnson, Henrik Ibsen, Alexander Kielland and Jonas Lie) all finished writing their shit and went whaling.

And Knut Hamsun, our first modernist - perhaps only modernist - went whaling in the weekends. Hell, when King Haakon came to Norway to become king, to become more 'Norwegian', he learnt to ski and he went whaling.

images/smilies/lol.gif

CyberMonkey · August 9th, 2007, 12:59 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/am....ap/index.html

Now Canada is making bold statements.

BerserkerCatSplat · August 9th, 2007, 1:11 PM

Canada, fuck yeah!

I love the bit about the Danish dispute - we never even heard about it here, total news to me!

epp_b · August 9th, 2007, 1:56 PM

Quote:

Canada, **** yeah!

I believe the proper Canadian expression is: Canada, take off, you hosers!

nomix · August 9th, 2007, 3:47 PM

Greenland? Yeah, we even tried to occupy it during the 20s. We lost in the League of Nations. images/smilies/sad.gif

BerserkerCatSplat · August 9th, 2007, 4:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epp_b

I believe the proper Canadian expression is: Canada, take off, you hosers!

Yeah, you're right.

mgkdk · August 9th, 2007, 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BerserkerCatSplat

I love the bit about the Danish dispute - we never even heard about it here, total news to me!

See, you don't even care, get off our island images/smilies/tongue.gif

August 1st, 2007, 7:45 PM	#1
CyberMonkey Joined: Jan 22nd, 2005 Last Online: November 16th, 2009 Location: Belgium Age: 23 Posts: 2,023 Rep Power: 38	Russia to claim north pole http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/as....ap/index.html already a couple of days ago there was note of their plans, but now they seem to getting closer to execute it. I wonder how this will evolve, with other big nations like Canada and the US also wanting their share (in fact, the whole thing). But I don't like the fact that this increasingly vulnerable part of the world could become exploited for the recovery of other planet-up-fucking stuff, nor that the stakes for the competing countries are so high (huge amounts of gas, oil, precious metals and other expensive stuff). I wonder if this could lead to further souring of the us-russia relations and how Canada and denmark will fit in the picture. Any thoughts?

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Cobol74 Joined: Mar 21st, 2006 Last Online: 10:50 AM Location: Southampton Posts: 8,592 Car: Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 TDI Slush box. Rep Power: 126	They want any oil on the continental shelf. __________________ Lotus 7 Registration Mark = KAR120C : Engine Number = 461034 TZ Ross Brawn genius or what?

August 2nd, 2007, 2:28 AM	#7
nomix True Viking Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: 11:51 AM Location: Norway Posts: 4,088 Rep Power: 65	I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If the Russians take our territories on the pole, we will defend it with whale boats and catapulted captured German caravans. __________________ "If you're not getting the picture you want, you're not close enough" - Robert Capa "Your first 14000 pictures are your worst" - HCB - David Bailey! Who's he?!

August 3rd, 2007, 1:37 AM	#10
nomix True Viking Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: 11:51 AM Location: Norway Posts: 4,088 Rep Power: 65	You need to start hunting whales. Firstly, you will get a good laugh at environmentalists, secondly, the harpoons are F*CKING BADASS! Think a former member of the Norwegian parliament, the Storting, once sunk a Greenpeace raft with a harpoon. __________________ "If you're not getting the picture you want, you're not close enough" - Robert Capa "Your first 14000 pictures are your worst" - HCB - David Bailey! Who's he?!

August 5th, 2007, 7:37 PM	#14
nomix True Viking Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: 11:51 AM Location: Norway Posts: 4,088 Rep Power: 65	It's because the whole world thinks we all kill whales on May 17th as a part of our national celebration of the constitution. As we all know, the founding fathers finished the constitution, then they went to Mjøsa to hunt whales. The Big Four (Bjørnsterne Bjørnson, Henrik Ibsen, Alexander Kielland and Jonas Lie) all finished writing their shit and went whaling. And Knut Hamsun, our first modernist - perhaps only modernist - went whaling in the weekends. Hell, when King Haakon came to Norway to become king, to become more 'Norwegian', he learnt to ski and he went whaling. __________________ "If you're not getting the picture you want, you're not close enough" - Robert Capa "Your first 14000 pictures are your worst" - HCB - David Bailey! Who's he?!

August 1st, 2007, 8:24 PM	#2
mattjm321 Joined: Aug 1st, 2007 Last Online: August 1st, 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 49 Car: '07 G35s, '66 Bronco, '05 Ram (work truck) Rep Power: 0	I read an article today about it on my blackberry. The gist I got was it is a big PR stunt for Russia, who lets face it, haven't done anything interesting in thirty years. They said that the cost of getting oil from such a place outweighs the financial gain. The question I had was they were basing their claim that it belongs to them because the ocean floor beneath the ice is a contiuation off of their continent. Couldn't the US say that half of the Atlantic is ours then too?

August 1st, 2007, 8:42 PM	#3
CyberMonkey Joined: Jan 22nd, 2005 Last Online: November 16th, 2009 Location: Belgium Age: 23 Posts: 2,023 Rep Power: 38	About 100 scientists aboard the Akademik Fyodorov are looking for evidence that the Lomonosov Ridge -- a 1,240-mile underwater mountain range that crosses the polar region -- is a geologic extension of Russia, and therefore can be claimed by it under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea. It seems like there is a law which allows countries to claim pieces of sea if there is some geological connection. Denmark tries to prove the same by saying that same mountian range connects to greenland.

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mattjm321 Joined: Aug 1st, 2007 Last Online: August 1st, 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 49 Car: '07 G35s, '66 Bronco, '05 Ram (work truck) Rep Power: 0	^I meant it to sound ridiculous. ^^Do you know of any examples where this law has been applied?

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August 9th, 2007, 12:59 PM	#15
CyberMonkey Joined: Jan 22nd, 2005 Last Online: November 16th, 2009 Location: Belgium Age: 23 Posts: 2,023 Rep Power: 38	http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/am....ap/index.html Now Canada is making bold statements.

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BerserkerCatSplat Hormone Induced Joined: Jun 21st, 2005 Last Online: 7:45 AM Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,889 Car: ZJ 4X4X5 Rep Power: 168	Canada, fuck yeah! I love the bit about the Danish dispute - we never even heard about it here, total news to me! __________________ OSPhoto

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nomix True Viking Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: 11:51 AM Location: Norway Posts: 4,088 Rep Power: 65	Greenland? Yeah, we even tried to occupy it during the 20s. We lost in the League of Nations. __________________ "If you're not getting the picture you want, you're not close enough" - Robert Capa "Your first 14000 pictures are your worst" - HCB - David Bailey! Who's he?!

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