Saudi’s to Crucify then Behead Child Rapist

[LeVeL]

Originally Posted by nomix

But it's not about what we want to do. It's about justice, and justice is not served by chopping someone's head off and crucifying them. That's just plain barbaric.

What exactly is a "just" punishment for someone who raped five kids and killed one of them?

[Firecat]

It's better than some of the alternatives out there, like the guy walking and doing it again or getting off on some technicality.

[nomix]

Originally Posted by LeVeL

What exactly is a "just" punishment for someone who raped five kids and killed one of them?

Heck, I don't hold all the answers. Long time i jail would be a good place to begin. But it's most important to not late hatred dictate punishment. If we let hatred dictate punishment, we're fucked.

[Plissken]

Originally Posted by gtrietsc

Sounds like a candidate for some rehabilitation to me!

The death penalty put him off doing it in the the first place.




No! Wait! The other one!

[katwalk]

Hmm. This is difficult, I am unsure what I think of this, it may be a bit harsh.

Permanent jail may be ok as a punishment because I am pretty sure child molesters get raped regularly because they even disgust the other inmates.

[LeVeL]

Originally Posted by nomix

Heck, I don't hold all the answers. Long time i jail would be a good place to begin. But it's most important to not late hatred dictate punishment. If we let hatred dictate punishment, we're fucked.

I beg your pardon? What exactly is the rational reasoning behind keeping a convicted child rapist and murderer alive by throwing tax money at him? I, personally, would not want a single cent of my hard-earned money to be used in support of any such individual.

[Ladamaha]

Originally Posted by LeVeL

I beg your pardon? What exactly is the rational reasoning behind keeping a convicted child rapist and murderer alive by throwing tax money at him? I, personally, would not want a single cent of my hard-earned money to be used in support of any such individual.

The reasoning is, that killing a convicted criminal is giving them the easy and quick way out. Spending your life in a cold dark hole and getting rammed in yours because you are a pedophile murderer is a miserable life.

[argatoga]

Or put them to work in gulag of sorts.

[teeb]

Originally Posted by LeVeL

I beg your pardon? What exactly is the rational reasoning behind keeping a convicted child rapist and murderer alive by throwing tax money at him? I, personally, would not want a single cent of my hard-earned money to be used in support of any such individual.

I believe that, at the moment, prisoners sentenced to death in the US cost the state more than those imprisoned for life.

For example, the California Commission for the fair administration of justice says that the current system costs $137 million a year and that if you replaced the death penalty with a lifetime imprisonment as the ultimate punishment, that cost would reduce to $11.5 million.

[SpitfireMK461]

Originally Posted by teeb

I believe that, at the moment, prisoners sentenced to death in the US cost the state more than those imprisoned for life.

For example, the California Commission for the fair administration of justice says that the current system costs $137 million a year and that if you replaced the death penalty with a lifetime imprisonment as the ultimate punishment, that cost would reduce to $11.5 million.

Or replace the death sentence with something more efficient, like a death sentence instead of a lock-them-up-for-20-years-and-unlimited-appeals-then-kill-them-in-the-most-expensive-way-possible sentence.

I don't believe there is any punishment bad enough for someone who rapes 5 kids and kills one, so I wouldn't want a single dollar going to their incarceration.

[gtrietsc]

Originally Posted by teeb

I believe that, at the moment, prisoners sentenced to death in the US cost the state more than those imprisoned for life.

For example, the California Commission for the fair administration of justice says that the current system costs $137 million a year and that if you replaced the death penalty with a lifetime imprisonment as the ultimate punishment, that cost would reduce to $11.5 million.

This is mostly due to the exhaustive appeals process, which is costly but fair to make sure those sentenced to die have every opportunity to prove otherwise.

[freeferrarisdonotexist]

I can't say this is an issue for me. The man deserves whatever punishment given to him, and I would not object to any punishment- but-

Originally Posted by Ladamaha

The reasoning is, that killing a convicted criminal is giving them the easy and quick way out. Spending your life in a cold dark hole and getting rammed in yours because you are a pedophile murderer is a miserable life.

This is the way to make most of them really suffer. Crucifiction certainly sets an example of sorts, but putting him in a cold, dark, damp, solitary prison, with no windows, padded walls an no items whatsoever, is probably the most hell-like punishment.

[gtrietsc]

Thinking about it - the man's punishment is more of a warning to others than anything else.

"Hey, are you a perverted murderer? Have the urge to do something unspeakable? Well - look what happened to the last guy."

[AiR]

That doesnt work you know. People do not care what happened to the last guy.

[Blind_Io]

Wow, for once I'm on the side of the Saudis.

[Plissken]

Originally Posted by gtrietsc

Thinking about it - the man's punishment is more of a warning to others than anything else.

"Hey, are you a perverted murderer? Have the urge to do something unspeakable? Well - look what happened to the last guy."

Except it has been done before, and the guy still did his crime. He wasn't the first to be punished this way and he won't be the last.

Ultimately, we can argue back and forth about suitable punishments and deterrents, but sometimes none of them will work. Until we accept that life isn't black and white and bad shit happens to good people and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it, then everyone is just pissing in the wind.

"100 lashes, crucifixion then beheading? Aw man, I was totally going to go on a killing spree but quite frankly, the beheading bit puts me off."

[Dogbert]

Leave him in the middle of the same desert.

[brydiem]

Originally Posted by gtrietsc

Thinking about it - the man's punishment is more of a warning to others than anything else.

"Hey, are you a perverted murderer? Have the urge to do something unspeakable? Well - look what happened to the last guy."

General deterrence in other words- use harsh sentences to send a message to the community.

Originally Posted by AiR

That doesnt work you know. People do not care what happened to the last guy.

Ohhh yes they do, whilst it doesn't completely stop the crime occuring, it does lower the incodences of it slightly (>5%)*
And if a really harsh sentence stops even a few people from raping a child and essentially ruining their life, i'm all for harsh sentences. Dunno about death penalty though, have no opinion on it.

*Legal studies textbook, something like Heinemann Legal studies HSC edition. Borrowed my teacher's edition and only have the notes from it sorry.

[nomix]

Originally Posted by LeVeL

I beg your pardon? What exactly is the rational reasoning behind keeping a convicted child rapist and murderer alive by throwing tax money at him? I, personally, would not want a single cent of my hard-earned money to be used in support of any such individual.

The reasoning is that the death penalty really didn't make this individual not commit this crime, and there is the general issue that killing people isn't all above board.

Added to that, the way the execution is carried out would seem quite barbaric.

[Ladamaha]

Criminals never think they will get caught, if they did, they wouldn't do their crimes. Penalties only keep people who were not going to do it in the first place away from doing it.