Saudi’s to Crucify then Behead Child Rapist

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by Ladamaha

Penalties only keep people who were not going to do it in the first place away from doing it.

False. Not only is that a pretty disputed topic in the law circles, but just from personal experience, I can say that some penalties keep me from certain things.

In the city of St. Louis, for instance, you can have your house seized if cops come (for whatever reason) and there are drugs on the property. All of my house-owning/renting friends (and myself) have a very strict "no weed or any other drugs, period" policy at our houses because of this.

Also, penalties are more for enforcement than they are for punishment, sometimes. I'd never renew the tags on my car if I weren't afraid of being pulled over and fined.

[Cobol74]

One should be honest and law abiding because it is the thing to be - full stop.

[AiR]

Originally Posted by brydiem

Ohhh yes they do, whilst it doesn't completely stop the crime occuring, it does lower the incodences of it slightly (>5%)*
And if a really harsh sentence stops even a few people from raping a child and essentially ruining their life, i'm all for harsh sentences. Dunno about death penalty though, have no opinion on it.

It does not. People that rape and kill people in the desert are not normal and couldnt give a rats ass about what their punishment would be. Only normal, empathic people give what their punishment for doing something might be any thought.

[LeVeL]

I'm not sure I agree that criminals don't care about their potential punishment, but assuming they don't, I still don't see any reason to keep a scumbag like this alive. He is a waste of space and oxygen.

[nomix]

So, in the city of St. Lewis, drug use is done away from the home? Sounds, well, unimpressive. If it stopped people from doing drugs, it might be a good way to go (if that's the end result you're after), but I'm sure it doesn't?

[Olie]

So.... what if after they find out he was innocent. Mistaken identity for someone else.

[gtrietsc]

Originally Posted by nomix

So, in the city of St. Lewis, drug use is done away from the home? Sounds, well, unimpressive. If it stopped people from doing drugs, it might be a good way to go (if that's the end result you're after), but I'm sure it doesn't?

I think the law actually exists to prop up the coffers of the city and county.

In fact, just carrying "too much" cash is now a reason for it to be seized. How much is too much? That's up to the officer.

http://www.fear.org/

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by nomix

So, in the city of St. Lewis, drug use is done away from the home? Sounds, well, unimpressive. If it stopped people from doing drugs, it might be a good way to go (if that's the end result you're after), but I'm sure it doesn't?

It doesn't, really, but it does cut down the time it takes cops to shut down actual drug houses... which are actually a huge problem in some of the not-nicer areas. The law isn't an anti-drug one so much as an anti-drug house one, but I wouldn't want to find myself at the wrong end of it.

Also no, if you're killing and raping children, you probably don't care much for consequences or rational thought anymore.

[nomix]

Originally Posted by gtrietsc

I think the law actually exists to prop up the coffers of the city and county.

In fact, just carrying "too much" cash is now a reason for it to be seized. How much is too much? That's up to the officer.

That's perhaps the most silly law I've ever heard of.

Originally Posted by Dogbert

It doesn't, really, but it does cut down the time it takes cops to shut down actual drug houses... which are actually a huge problem in some of the not-nicer areas. The law isn't an anti-drug one so much as an anti-drug house one, but I wouldn't want to find myself at the wrong end of it.

And that is the problem when the law prohibits a phenomena in general to battle something specific.

Also no, if you're killing and raping children, you probably don't care much for consequences or rational thought anymore.

It probably isn't part of the rationale, if there's a rationale at all. That's indeed an interesting conversation to have, what, if any rationale pedophiles have for their actions.

[Ladamaha]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Also no, if you're killing and raping children, you probably don't care much for consequences or rational thought anymore.

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, my fault it didn't come through that well. For them, it doesn't really matter what the penalty is because either they think they are not going to get caught (like all criminals) or they just don't care because they are (and they really are) fucked up in the head.

Of course, I don't mean a society without penalties would work. But I think it doesn't matter if the worst fucked up criminals face the threat of life sentence or death.

Death penalty just lowers you on the same level with the killer. I know it's pathetic moral high horse reasoning but; "Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind."

Of course, it could be argued that inprisoning people for rest of their lifes is also unethical and treating people as animal and just putting them down would be more ethical thing to do...

I guess I'm not good making solid opinions and like to waffle a lot between.

[LittleRed]

I'm not sure whether I agree with it or not... I generally have strong opinions on what should be done to rapists but this is an entirely different culture to mine, so I'm finding it difficult to comment.

I don't know a lot of about Saudi or the way its justice system works, I don't agree with the death sentence either, as said above, to me it puts you on the same level as the killer.

Eastern cultures are really different from western cultures and they work in very different ways. I just read that beheading is permitted for serious offenses, and it is seen as a "quick and clean form of execution sanctioned by the Islamic faith." (From BBC Website)

[Blind_Io]

Agree or disagree, you have to admire how thorough they are.

[Night_Hawk]

^ I agree.

This is no nanny state

[jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Night_Hawk

^ I agree.

This is no nanny state

No, it is a tyranny. I suggest to read Thomas Paine's Common Sense. My copy is dog eared.

[Cobol74]

Personally I have doubts about the death penalty but I could be persuaded that for a very very limited number of crimes it could be justified.

Saudi - They are not so different from some western countries it seems. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine


"The guillotine remained the official method of execution in France until France abolished the death penalty in 1981.[13] The last guillotining in France was that of torture-murderer Hamida Djandoubi on 10 September 1977."

[tigger]

I've got to agree with Jayhawk on this one. You can't go chopping people's heads off like it's 1399; no matter how despicable the bastard is. And personally, I'd rather have my head sawed off than spend the rest of my life in a Saudi prison.

Originally Posted by gtrietsc

Thinking about it - the man's punishment is more of a warning to others than anything else.

Do you think about how much your previous speeding ticket cost you when you're speeding? I don't. Not until I get pulled over.

Punishment is not a deterrent to crime. People will break the law no matter what. Especially when said person is not on the same level mentally as the rest of us. You have to try and remove the economic incentive to commit crime. And if you're real ambitious, find a way to stop unstable men like this before they even get started.

Originally Posted by nomix

So, in the city of St. Lewis, drug use is done away from the home? Sounds, well, unimpressive.

Well to be fair, St.Louis is pretty unimpressive. I'm just kidding. Not really. Like Dogbert said, the intent of the law (and the one about carry massive amounts of cash) is to give cops the authority to shut down drug houses and dealers quickly. That's putting a lot of power in their hands, but then STL could use the help.

Originally Posted by Olie

So.... what if after they find out he was innocent. Mistaken identity for someone else.

Then they'll just call Rick Perry for advice ...

[starfox07]

5.45x39 to the temple.

12c and about 5 seconds.

Job done.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by tigger

Well to be fair, St.Louis is pretty unimpressive.

Truths. It would be more impressive if we could ever completely fund something; the entire city is full of half-done things. When the MLB All-Star game came here, we actually had to put "guides" around the stadium to keep people from wandering into the half-done/stabby parts, and owners of abandoned storefronts were asked to put "anything they could find" in the windows to make it look like something was happening with it.


Let's run this through a logic test:

If you're seriously thinking about raping a child, are you going to stop and think "man, I remember the last guy that raped a child. they cut his head off! I better not..."?

And, from a child psychology view, think of how fucked up kids are going to be after watching this. And we go fucking ballistic over what GTA, a computer game, can do to the child psyche over here...

[gtrietsc]

Originally Posted by tigger

Do you think about how much your previous speeding ticket cost you when you're speeding? I don't. Not until I get pulled over.

Guess that's the difference between me and you. I do think about how much the ticket might cost me, plus the likelihood of getting caught. So I rarely speed (more than 5 or 10 over) at night for instance, since you can't see the squad car until its too late.

Not to mention the fact that there is no death penalty for a financially motivated crime I can think of. How much money does raping and killing children make the average person, anyway?

Y'know, if you have these sorts of predilictions - its easy to say someone like that has no regard for the punishment. Why you don't have to back that up with any facts is weird. I can just as easily say that seeing that punishment might drive someone else with those urges to seek help is a possibility.

I would rather seek counseling than be beheaded OR imprisoned if I had that problem, but that's just me.