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Old March 26th, 2007, 05:19 AM   #1
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Yes, of course they should be allowed to live.

Why, we can't murder him, that's against the ten commendments, the UN and common human moral. Which monsters should one find to murder a man?

My silent protest, now you can continue your anger, your deep romantic feelings for love and retrobution. Not to forget the so called justice.
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Man, I thought he had burned her alive before I read the article! Still, that's pretty disgusting.
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Yes, of course they should be allowed to live.

Why, we can't murder him, that's against the ten commendments, the UN and common human moral. Which monsters should one find to murder a man?

My silent protest, now you can continue your anger, your deep romantic feelings for love and retrobution. Not to forget the so called justice.
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I'm also against the death penalty. Life in solitary confinement without parole. That'd do the trick.
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Why, we can't murder him, that's against the ten commendments, the UN and common human moral. Which monsters should one find to murder a man?
1 - Not everyone believes in the 10 Commandments as being "holy" in fact when you think about it, that is a pretty padded list.

2 - The UN can stay the hell out of our domestic policy.

3 - Common human morals? I don't know where you've grown up but "common" morals aren't.
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1 - Not everyone believes in the 10 Commandments as being "holy" in fact when you think about it, that is a pretty padded list.

2 - The UN can stay the hell out of our domestic policy.

3 - Common human morals? I don't know where you've grown up but "common" morals aren't.
1. America is quite christian, please don't deny it. I even get the impression that states that are very christian are most positive to the death penalty.

2. Human rights.

3. Murder is regarded wrong by most people. In many American states, it's even punishable by another murder.

Murder is murder. You might try to make it steril, make it more 'human', make it legal. It's still bloody, planned, motivated murder.
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America is *not* a "Christian nation* no matter what our right-wing religious nuts claim. Read our founding documents.

There are some crimes where you give up your rights. There are some crimes that are so heinous that by committing such acts the person has shown that they are unfit to live. I don't mean someone who is mentally ill, either. Shouldn't the UN be more concerned with the genocide that is going on in Africa right now instead of the fate of one murdering fuck-head in the US who will (hopefully) get what's coming to him?

Bingo! Murder is wrong and is punishable by death in most states, this goes even beyond murder to the systematic and methodical dismemberment and burning of the girl's body.

The difference between murder and a state execution is due process, the killer is getting much more than his victim ever did.
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America is *not* a "Christian nation* no matter what our right-wing religious nuts claim. Read our founding documents.
"There's the laws of God, and the ideas of humans."

The constitution allows states to exectute people. It allows christian groups to have huge influence. Which is democracy, of sorts.

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There are some crimes where you give up your rights. There are some crimes that are so heinous that by committing such acts the person has shown that they are unfit to live. I don't mean someone who is mentally ill, either. Shouldn't the UN be more concerned with the genocide that is going on in Africa right now instead of the fate of one murdering fuck-head in the US who will (hopefully) get what's coming to him?
I really think they should be concerned with both. It's murder, after all.

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MUrder is punishable by getting murdered.

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That's what sickens me the most. It's still murder, how ever you suger coat it. I can understand that if someone rapes a girl, her brother would murder the guy who did it, if someone killed my mother, I'd slit their throat.

But it's just SICK to see a damn process, where honest law abiding citizens are to decide if someone is to live or die. That's barbaric, sick and inhumane.

Making it more civil really doesn't change the fact that it is murder, it just doesn't. It's just an attempt to hide what it is, to make people feel fine, go back to their perfect homes, eat their roasted chicken, feel even finer, go to bed and dream sweet dreams.

It's sick.
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Yes, Christians have an influence as a result of the democratic process and the personal faiths of the representatives, but we are not a Christian nation and don't hold a holy scripture as law.

You may not like the system, but that is the way it is. And the citizens on the jury can not choose the death penalty, in most states they can only decide if the person is guilty. The judge decides on the punishment. I think some courts the jury can recommend against or for the death penalty but the ultimate decision is up to the judge.

I don't think anyone in a jury trial that results in the death penalty goes home feeling good about him/her self. It would be an interesting study to see the emotional effects of trial on jury members.

Don't forget that the tax payer foots the bill for years of appeals and court appearances, even if the guy gets life the tax payer foots the bill for those appeals and room and board for the prisoner.

to be honest there are some crimes where the evidence is overwhelming and indisputable they should just drag the guy out back and put a bullet in him - and then bill his family for the bullet. Call me a savage if you want, but there are some people who have done things so horrible that they do not deserve to live. Death is sometimes the only way to be absolutely sure that they never have the chance to hurt someone ever again. I consider death to be too good for them, but that is the worst the system can offer so I will take it.
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Makes more sense to me. The rest of his entire life alone. Forever.

nomix is right: no one has the right to murder, citizen or official. Period.
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Yeah, click on their name and select "add to ignore list".

I've done it to about 3 users here, and after I did it was the most relaxing place on the net.

And Nomix, not everyone in the US is christian (we're not all idiots), not everyone walks around with crosses and what not. As a matter of fact, most of the advocates of the "Christianization" of the US can't even repeat 5 of the 10 commandments. But I'll let Blind handle that arguement.

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Makes more sense to me. The rest of his entire life alone. Forever.

nomix is right: no one has the right to murder, citizen or official. Period.
The only problem with it is life without parole in solitary confinment costs huge amounts of money. So many argue it's not cost effective.
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You may not like the system, but that is the way it is. And the citizens on the jury can not choose the death penalty, in most states they can only decide if the person is guilty. The judge decides on the punishment. I think some courts the jury can recommend against or for the death penalty but the ultimate decision is up to the judge.
The jury will in most cases be able to predict if a person is going to be murdered. And even the possibility would make me sick.

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I was talking about the general public. The whole process is designed to alienate people from what it actually is.

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Don't forget that the tax payer foots the bill for years of appeals and court appearances, even if the guy gets life the tax payer foots the bill for those appeals and room and board for the prisoner.
The state takes responsibility for upholding laws, then they must pay the price.

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to be honest there are some crimes where the evidence is overwhelming and indisputable they should just drag the guy out back and put a bullet in him - and then bill his family for the bullet. Call me a savage if you want, but there are some people who have done things so horrible that they do not deserve to live. Death is sometimes the only way to be absolutely sure that they never have the chance to hurt someone ever again. I consider death to be too good for them, but that is the worst the system can offer so I will take it.
I guess I'll just have to disagree with you. And I've allready said what I feel about murder in general. It's understandable in extreme cases, not acceptable, but understandable. That doesn't go for a court of law.

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nomix, the 17-year-old kid who thinks he knows everything about life. Is there a way I can block specific users, Viper?
I know you're to ignorant to see this, but what the heck.

First of all, I am 19, I do not think I know everything in the world. But I do have my own morals, I do have oppinions. If you're to yellow to even read those oppinions, that's your problem.

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And Nomix, not everyone in the US is christian (we're not all idiots), not everyone walks around with crosses and what not. As a matter of fact, most of the advocates of the "Christianization" of the US can't even repeat 5 of the 10 commandments. But I'll let Blind handle that arguement.
I do know that, I have not claimed otherwise. I'm not silly, I hope you apreciate.