The new EU constitution - Page 3

static · April 3rd, 2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by viilaaja@pt cruiser

I ain't paying any taxes, because i have no income images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

Income is not the only thing that is taxed you know. It's only the most obvious one. You pay taxes when you buy food, go to a massage or have a trip to your local ski resort. So you do pay taxes, actually pretty damn much images/smilies/smile.gif

I am happy to pay my own taxes and it indeed is a priviledge to live in Finland. Taxes are good because it equalizes people and prevents things happening like in USA where theres a big canyon between the rich and the poor.

viilaaja@pt cruiser · April 4th, 2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by static

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Originally Posted by viilaaja@pt cruiser

I ain't paying any taxes, because i have no income images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

Income is not the only thing that is taxed you know. It's only the most obvious one. You pay taxes when you buy food, go to a massage or have a trip to your local ski resort. So you do pay taxes, actually pretty damn much images/smilies/smile.gif

I am happy to pay my own taxes and it indeed is a priviledge to live in Finland. Taxes are good because it equalizes people and prevents things happening like in USA where theres a big canyon between the rich and the poor.

ok i pay taxes, so everyhting isn't free, who cares. as long there's the internet, mitsubishi and place to sleep i am ok.

jensked · April 4th, 2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Roland

They seriously want to regulate by law that a certain percentage of all the movies shown on tv are european. Name one, JUST ONE, good reason why EU should do that kind of things.

I didn't say everything the EU does is good images/smilies/smile.gif

For one, i also think it's quite a strange idea, but than again, i'm sure they know what they're doing. It's quite logical they want to support european film makers. I didn't say i agree!

After all, we live in democracies, where the majority rules (except in Britain of course images/smilies/tongue.gif

, just joking). And of course 45% of a population can be against something, and that's a lot, but you have to have a system that's livable. If you have to get a consensus about everything everytime...we would still live in the stone age. images/smilies/wink.gif

But of course, i'm only one of the 6.000.000.000 people on this planet.

Roland · April 4th, 2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jensked

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Originally Posted by Roland

They seriously want to regulate by law that a certain percentage of all the movies shown on tv are european. Name one, JUST ONE, good reason why EU should do that kind of things.

I didn't say everything the EU does is good images/smilies/smile.gif

For one, i also think it's quite a strange idea, but than again, i'm sure they know what they're doing. It's quite logical they want to support european film makers. I didn't say i agree!

After all, we live in democracies, where the majority rules (except in Britain of course images/smilies/tongue.gif

, just joking). And of course 45% of a population can be against something, and that's a lot, but you have to have a system that's livable. If you have to get a consensus about everything everytime...we would still live in the stone age. images/smilies/wink.gif

But of course, i'm only one of the 6.000.000.000 people on this planet.

My examples was to show what the EU now does with their power. I'm just worried what happens when we given them even more of it. I think the EU really is great, but it has unfortunatly got more power than nessesary. Instead of giving them more power we should give them less.

jensked · April 4th, 2005, 04:21 PM

Yes I agree: more power to the lower level governments: the city, the town,...and a coordination function to higher levels.

But of course there are certain problems that only a higher government can handle due to financing problems, scale problems,...

But I think we all made or point here: "Tot capita, tot senses" images/smilies/wink.gif

Jostyrostelli · May 20th, 2005, 05:35 AM

Sorry for bumping but it looks like the Netherlands are going to vote NO.
So far it's 27% YES and 58% No.

That's only 38% of the population right now, but they said most of the people who are not sure IF they are gonna vote are voting NO anyway.

Kip_6666 · May 20th, 2005, 05:38 AM

Do we vote today?

I got a slip, but i might have lost it somewhere.

Jostyrostelli · May 20th, 2005, 05:58 AM

1st of June.

Kip_6666 · May 20th, 2005, 06:02 AM

ahh, still a few more days to flip a coin images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Jostyrostelli · May 20th, 2005, 06:09 AM

Haha, have you read the little folder they sent? It's crap, I read it but just because all those political people want it SO bad, makes me wanna say NO just because of that.

Something fishy..

We vote now...and after that we will never be asked again..

Kip_6666 · May 20th, 2005, 07:15 AM

Yeah, that struck me as strange too. I myself haven't read the pamphlet, but have heard the other stuff. And the main politicians are being very one sided about everything. Putting more focus on the way they want us to vote (vote yes).

swek · May 20th, 2005, 10:09 AM

You shouldn't complain. We can't vote for matters regarding the EU at all. Well, indirect we can but we don't have any parties who would oppose anything big coming from bruxelles.

Jostyrostelli · May 20th, 2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kip_6666

Yeah, that struck me as strange too. I myself haven't read the pamphlet, but have heard the other stuff. And the main politicians are being very one sided about everything. Putting more focus on the way they want us to vote (vote yes).

Yeah the perfect example is that ad they show everywhere..

"Know why to vote YES"...

That would imply you should vote yes... images/smilies/thumbdown.gif

The ministers (sp) are really desparate, in their lunchtime they'll hit the streets to convince people..

April 4th, 2005, 04:21 PM	#45
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Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	Sorry for bumping but it looks like the Netherlands are going to vote NO. So far it's 27% YES and 58% No. That's only 38% of the population right now, but they said most of the people who are not sure IF they are gonna vote are voting NO anyway. __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

May 20th, 2005, 05:38 AM	#47
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May 20th, 2005, 05:58 AM	#48
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	1st of June. __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

May 20th, 2005, 06:02 AM	#49
Kip_6666 I Bought This Title :o Joined: May 17th, 2004 Last Online: 08:49 PM Location: The Netherlands Age: 22 Posts: 2,960 Car: Saab 93 2.0t @ stage 3 now Rep Power: 31	ahh, still a few more days to flip a coin __________________ http://www.internet-memes.com My Flickr

May 20th, 2005, 06:09 AM	#50
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	Haha, have you read the little folder they sent? It's crap, I read it but just because all those political people want it SO bad, makes me wanna say NO just because of that. Something fishy.. We vote now...and after that we will never be asked again.. __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

May 20th, 2005, 07:15 AM	#51
Kip_6666 I Bought This Title :o Joined: May 17th, 2004 Last Online: 08:49 PM Location: The Netherlands Age: 22 Posts: 2,960 Car: Saab 93 2.0t @ stage 3 now Rep Power: 31	Yeah, that struck me as strange too. I myself haven't read the pamphlet, but have heard the other stuff. And the main politicians are being very one sided about everything. Putting more focus on the way they want us to vote (vote yes). __________________ http://www.internet-memes.com My Flickr

May 20th, 2005, 10:09 AM	#52
swek Global Moderator Joined: May 19th, 2004 Last Online: 04:22 PM Location: Hamburg, Germany Age: 26 Posts: 4,335 Car: Does a bicycle count? Rep Power: 45	You shouldn't complain. We can't vote for matters regarding the EU at all. Well, indirect we can but we don't have any parties who would oppose anything big coming from bruxelles.

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