war on terror on israel

[hajj]

And? I accept actions in the south. Israel ought to change the situation there and strike against the militants, but declaring war against the whole Lebanon is just wrong. We all know that the government isn't too strong and the Hezbollah can do what they want, but that doesnt justify these attacks.

[Firecat]

It's not that easy to control your border, as evidenced by many countries around the world (including the US, Canada, Israel, and Iraq.....for example)

[osabros]

Originally Posted by hajj

Basically Israel goes to war against Lebanon because the Hezbollah has captured two Israeli solidiers? This is not the appropriate reaction for a civilized country. Nobody cares if Israel attacks the Hezbollah in the South, but bombing the whole infrastructur and killing innocent civilians is certainly not right. The Lebanese themself might be grateful for that.
We shouldn't forget that the government of Lebanon has been democratically elected.

I hope that the rest of Europe will follow the example of Chirac and criticise Israel for these actions. They simply have to understand that they overreacted this time.

the hizballah are not just in the south, they're all over lebanon. they use lebanese infrastructures(such as their airports) for the hizballah's terrorist uses. and also this isn't just because of the two soldiers, hizballah have been putting pressure in the north ever since i can remember. just a month ago they launched several katyushot into israel but we restrained from military action.

and Chirac was a big supporter of Yasser Arafat, one of the biggest terrorists ever to have lived, and one of very few terrorists to die a natural death. as far as i'm concerned anyone who was supportive of Arafat is against israel.

p.s. firecat - nice sig

[Firecat]

Originally Posted by osabros

p.s. firecat - nice sig

What can I say, bearded men kissing is a huge turn-on for me. I hope it doesn't make my points in this thread less serious

[mmap]

Yes... UKD is cruel and I shal hold him personally responsible for my eyesight

(Sorry for the OT)

[hokiethang]

I have to step in to this, call me what you want...

I do believe Israel is doing the right thing. Granted maybe declaring war on Lebanon was a bit too much of an escalation. From the outside looking in, it definitely looks like Israel was doing what it could to preserve peace in the region, and Hamas/Hizbollah inciting conflict. The Israelis withdrew from their settlements throughout the area, maintained their borders (and as it appears) and only fired weapons into the palestinian areas when their own lands were under attack. Hamas is responsible for this escalation because militants aligned with them crossed a border and captured a soldier from within another country's borders. The same happens two weeks later in northern Israel.

History tells us that if the Israelis negotiate, it's just going to happen again, and again. So what option do they have left to protect the sovereignity of their state, as well as the sovereignity of their neighbors?

[JoeBlo1]

Argh, I'd rather not get into this discussion. All I know is that if your country constantly faces suicide attacks and Qa'ssam rockets on its soil, you'll have a different viewpoint of the situation. It's best that you guys take your stuff to http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/ because that's probably the best forum to argue Israel's military operations.

[hajj]

Originally Posted by osabros

the hizballah are not just in the south, they're all over lebanon. they use lebanese infrastructures(such as their airports) for the hizballah's terrorist uses. and also this isn't just because of the two soldiers, hizballah have been putting pressure in the north ever since i can remember. just a month ago they launched several katyushot into israel but we restrained from military action.

and Chirac was a big supporter of Yasser Arafat, one of the biggest terrorists ever to have lived, and one of very few terrorists to die a natural death. as far as i'm concerned anyone who was supportive of Arafat is against israel.

What is your view on the Oslo agreement? The murder of Yitzhak Rabin?
Didnt you even criticise the UN for putting Sharon on trail just days ago? Even though those actions were taken by belgium.

I am aware that the Hezbollah is all over Lebanon, but that doesnt justify killing all the people in Lebanon. The Hezbollah needs to be eliminated, but Lebanon should not die on the way.

Israel is overreacting and harming innocent people in all kind of ways.

[Firecat]

Originally Posted by hokiethang

Hamas is responsible for this escalation because militants aligned with them crossed a border and captured a soldier from within another country's borders. The same happens two weeks later in northern Israel.

It wasn't widely reported here, but prior to that Israel had opened fire on a Gaza beach killing around 8 people. That is what made Hamas call off their cease-fire.

[Scud]

How is it that when ever Israel kills innocent civilians it's nothing?
But when 1 soldier gets kidnapped it's a crime justified to go to War over?

I aint a Nazi.

I just dont like jews.
Just like Jews hate palestines but you dont call them Nazis because of that.
Jews are allowed to massmurder palestines and Muslims all they want and noone gives a shit.
Go ahead do some research and you will find out that 50 years ago Jews massmurdered thousands of thousands of palestinians before they took over their country.

It's ok to hate muslims.
But if you hate jews it's a crime on the forum.

You all really need to open your eyes.
Oh and I dont like Saddam hussein.
Infact I hate the guy but USA are still fighting an illegal WAR against Iraq.

[ishigakisensei]

Originally Posted by asphotos

When will america declare a "war on terror" on israel? Or does it have two agendas and 2 sets of "international law?"

AIPAC is the Isreal lobby and in short, their muscle in DC to wag the dog to look the other way. Isreal is looking for justification in attacking Iran. This is just a charade to give them justification. I know it's dangerous to talk about Israel in the US due to the "racist" card they reflexively pull out on anyone who dares mention their own crimes against humanity. How was Israel formed? Zionist terrorists who bombed innocent women and children, but that is uncomfortable history and must be ignored.

why cant there be a country called "Israel & Palestine" like Bosnia & Hezergovina (sp?)

Because those in power would lose it. That is why Arafat never really wanted peace because as soon as peace is achieved, the peopel can focus on domestic issues and demand a new direction and even a new leader. I fully beleive that there are some in Power in Israel who want to continue the figting because they make money off of it and stay in power - either behind the scenes on in the Knesset.

No war lasts this long without those in power benefiting in some way.

[tranceshakeel]

Originally Posted by osabros

and Chirac was a big supporter of Yasser Arafat, one of the biggest terrorists ever to have lived, and one of very few terrorists to die a natural death. as far as i'm concerned anyone who was supportive of Arafat is against israel.

I think Arafat was one of the greatest, certainly for his people. So call me what ever you want. And I also support Ahmedinejad. Naturally because i am Shia I have a softside for Iran and Iraq, same as u do for Israel but thats beside the point. I dont think Hizbollahs capturing of 2 soldiers is reason enough to declare war against a country. Why does it have to be as messed up as it is? Why does there have to be a jewish state and a muslim state? why cant there be a country called "Israel & Palestine" like Bosnia & Hezergovina (sp?)
Then we can visit the place and be thankful for what God have given us instead of seeing people fighting over it.

[///M]

Originally Posted by Scud

How is it that when ever Israel kills innocent civilians it's nothing?
But when 1 soldier gets kidnapped it's a crime justified to go to War over?

I aint a Nazi.

I just dont like jews.
Just like Jews hate palestines but you dont call them Nazis because of that.
Jews are allowed to massmurder palestines and Muslims all they want and noone gives a shit.
Go ahead do some research and you will find out that 50 years ago Jews massmurdered thousands of thousands of palestinians before they took over their country.

It's ok to hate muslims.
But if you hate jews it's a crime on the forum.

You all really need to open your eyes.
Oh and I dont like Saddam hussein.
Infact I hate the guy but USA are still fighting an illegal WAR against Iraq.

Read your history, bud. You sound like an ignorant majority of the middle east, blame the jews for all your troubles. Let's not forget that the Arabs came twice trying to "drive them into the sea." Arabs now need to understand that they are here to stay. After getting that basic concept of their right to exist, maybe they'll realise that they are an example nation in the middle east regarding democracy and basic human rights towards its citizens. We really don't need idiots like you on the outside trying to fan the flames by spreading anti-semetic bullshit.

Arabs and muslims, take a look at how worthless you are in your own country, and compare that with how much Israel is flipping over three soldiers. I recall Nasser refusing to send back an Israeli spy in exchange for almost 10,000 Egyptian POWs. That's how little our leaders care about us. The message I hope this conflict sends out is stop supporting retards like the regimes running the region and extremists like HA and Hamas. It's time to wake up and move forward into the 21st century.

[Firecat]

Israel exists, and may continue to exist. Whether they have a "right to exist" is another matter entirely.

I don't really care that they are a democracy or that they care for their own citizens. So is/does America, doesn't make their actions outside of their borders any better.

Yes, Israel is flipping over 3 kidnapped soldiers. So much so that they have sacrificed the lives of 7(?) other Israeli soldiers.

[osabros]

Originally Posted by tranceshakeel

I think Arafat was one of the greatest, certainly for his people. So call me what ever you want. And I also support Ahmedinejad. Naturally because i am Shia I have a softside for Iran and Iraq, same as u do for Israel but thats beside the point. I dont think Hizbollahs capturing of 2 soldiers is reason enough to declare war against a country. Why does it have to be as messed up as it is? Why does there have to be a jewish state and a muslim state? why cant there be a country called "Israel & Palestine" like Bosnia & Hezergovina (sp?)
Then we can visit the place and be thankful for what God have given us instead of seeing people fighting over it.

like i've said before, i'll say it again. all the current military operations are not just because of the soldiers, there was a hell of a lot of tension in the areas, kidnapping the soldiers was the spark.
and unforunatley i doubt there could be an "Israel+Palestine". israel is currently a jewish state and that's one of it's original purposes - to be a shelter and a protected place for jews worldwide, especially after the haulocaust. the palestinians want a state of islam. the two religions just don't mix.
and also you need to remember that the palestinians have a hate for israel deep inside them, given by their education. they won't forget it all in a day and live in peace with us.

Originally Posted by hajj

What is your view on the Oslo agreement? The murder of Yitzhak Rabin?
Didnt you even criticise the UN for putting Sharon on trail just days ago? Even though those actions were taken by belgium.

I am aware that the Hezbollah is all over Lebanon, but that doesnt justify killing all the people in Lebanon. The Hezbollah needs to be eliminated, but Lebanon should not die on the way.

Israel is overreacting and harming innocent people in all kind of ways.

the oslo agreement wasn't a good agreement because it wasn't respected much by the palestinians. Yitzhak rabin should've been removed by democracy, not by death. and we don't intend on killing lebanese - read my other post about hurting civilians.

Scud - if you've got something against jews i doubt there's any way i can reason with you.

[Scud]

I am from Finland and I know my History.

The only thing I got against jews are that they LIE and get away with everything they do.

Israel was founded on Palestinian land some 50 years ago.
The jews Massmurdered houndred of thousands palestinians.

This is the biggest reason why the arab nations HATES Israel.

The Tension bettwen USA and Russia during the cold war was ALOT higher and USA took prisoners and so did Russia.
Some got killed but they didn't launched nukes at each other over some dead soldiers.

Israel been doing alot of attacks against lebanon for fun for years now.
No one cares.
but when Lebanon takes 2 soldiers hoostage the whole World is against Lebanon.
But it's Ok for Israel to have thousands of innocent Civilians in their prisons.

Makes you think doesn't it?

Why is it ok for Israel to do what ever they want?
No one gave a fuck when they blew up a family on the Gaza bach leaving 1 little Girl without a family.
But when a soldier gets kidnapped then it's all over the news.

[osabros]

Originally Posted by scud

I am from Finland and I know my History.

first thing i can agree with you about. i am from israel, and i also know my history.

Originally Posted by Scud

The only thing I got against jews are that they LIE and get away with everything they do.

i guess that just cancelles eveything i can possibly say. after all, everything i say is a lie isn't it??
[sarcasm]i'm a big fat liar and everything i say is false. just like every other jew in the whole world, because all jews are the same, right?? all jews lie, and steal, and murder, and always get away with it. i've never heard about any jew who ever went to prison, or got sentenced. ever.
oh, those bloody jews. hitler should've finished them off.[/sarcasm]

scud - please ignore everything i say in the rest of this post. i'm replying to your claims so that other people in the forum will understand.

Originally Posted by scud

Israel was founded on Palestinian land some 50 years ago.
The jews Massmurdered houndred of thousands palestinians.

the "palestinian" nation didn't exist 50 years ago, the "palestinians" were, are, and will remain jordanians living in israel. and there weren't even 100,000s of arabs in israel 50 years ago, at all!! how could we kill people who weren't here??

Originally Posted by scud

The Tension bettwen USA and Russia during the cold war was ALOT higher and USA took prisoners and so did Russia.
Some got killed but they didn't launched nukes at each other over some dead soldiers.

USA is 320,000,000 people(or even more). 100 men kidnapped is nothing. israel is 5,000,000 people, so 3 kidnapped is serious business. it's a totally different scale here.

Originally Posted by scud

Israel been doing alot of attacks against lebanon for fun for years now.
No one cares.
but when Lebanon takes 2 soldiers hoostage the whole World is against Lebanon.

[sarcasm]right, and hizballah have never ever attacked israel, at all!! they never even tried to kill israeli citizens. we went into lebanon in 1982 just for fun, it definitley wasn't because we were being attacked or anything.[/sarcasm]

Originally Posted by scud

But it's Ok for Israel to have thousands of innocent Civilians in their prisons.

[sarcasm]yep. those innocent civilians. holding a gun and aiming at israeli troops isn't wrong at all. and all civilians should be allowed to plan terrorist attacks on israel.[/sarcasm]
"civilians",

Originally Posted by scud

No one gave a fuck when they blew up a family on the Gaza bach leaving 1 little Girl without a family.
But when a soldier gets kidnapped then it's all over the news.

you must be very selective about when you listen to the news.

edit:
p.s. - scud: if you want to teach me the history of finland, go ahead. i'll listen and learn from you. but if you want to start teaching me the history of my country - good luck

[ishigakisensei]

Originally Posted by Scud

The only thing I got against jews are that they LIE and get away with everything they do.

This one statement negates your credibility and objectivity. Just because one is a Jew does not mean they are a Zionist just as several Zionists are not Jewish. Hating all Jews for the actions of a small portion of Zionist terrortists reflects that you do not know history as well as you claim.

[Ultra_Kool_Dude]

Scud has a point that the Israeli forces have been just as wrong.

Has anyone read about the massacre that took place during the Lebanese civil war? American troops allowed an Israeli paramilitary group to enter into a Lebanese refugee camp. The Israelis slaughtered the entire camp of hundreds of refugees right under the noses of the US force.

Another thing to consider is that the Israeli military is one of the strongest in the word. I've seen it credibly ranked as the 3rd strongest in short term military power.

[///M]

Originally Posted by Ultra_Kool_Dude

Scud has a point that the Israeli forces have been just as wrong.

Has anyone read about the massacre that took place during the Lebanese civil war? American troops allowed an Israeli paramilitary group to enter into a Lebanese refugee camp. The Israelis slaughtered the entire camp of hundreds of refugees right under the noses of the US force.

Another thing to consider is that the Israeli military is one of the strongest in the word. I've seen it credibly ranked as the 3rd strongest in short term military power.

If you're talking about Subra-Shatila, it was Israeli troops controlling a camp, and they let Lebanese Arab Christian militants who were at war with the PLO into the camp to commit a massacre. If you're talking about a different one, please let me know.

Nasralla is live on TV, talking a whole load of bullshit as always.