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    What Bush and Batman have in common.

    An op-ed piece from the Wall Street Journal. Please read objectively.

    A cry for help goes out from a city beleaguered by violence and fear: A beam of light flashed into the night sky, the dark symbol of a bat projected onto the surface of the racing clouds . . .

    Oh, wait a minute. That's not a bat, actually. In fact, when you trace the outline with your finger, it looks kind of like . . . a "W."

    There seems to me no question that the Batman film "The Dark Knight," currently breaking every box office record in history, is at some level a paean of praise to the fortitude and moral courage that has been shown by George W. Bush in this time of terror and war. Like W, Batman is vilified and despised for confronting terrorists in the only terms they understand. Like W, Batman sometimes has to push the boundaries of civil rights to deal with an emergency, certain that he will re-establish those boundaries when the emergency is past.

    And like W, Batman understands that there is no moral equivalence between a free society -- in which people sometimes make the wrong choices -- and a criminal sect bent on destruction. The former must be cherished even in its moments of folly; the latter must be hounded to the gates of Hell.

    "The Dark Knight," then, is a conservative movie about the war on terror. And like another such film, last year's "300," "The Dark Knight" is making a fortune depicting the values and necessities that the Bush administration cannot seem to articulate for beans.

    Conversely, time after time, left-wing films about the war on terror -- films like "In The Valley of Elah," "Rendition" and "Redacted" -- which preach moral equivalence and advocate surrender, that disrespect the military and their mission, that seem unable to distinguish the difference between America and Islamo-fascism, have bombed more spectacularly than Operation Shock and Awe.

    Why is it then that left-wingers feel free to make their films direct and realistic, whereas Hollywood conservatives have to put on a mask in order to speak what they know to be the truth? Why is it, indeed, that the conservative values that power our defense -- values like morality, faith, self-sacrifice and the nobility of fighting for the right -- only appear in fantasy or comic-inspired films like "300," "Lord of the Rings," "Narnia," "Spiderman 3" and now "The Dark Knight"?

    The moment filmmakers take on the problem of Islamic terrorism in realistic films, suddenly those values vanish. The good guys become indistinguishable from the bad guys, and we end up denigrating the very heroes who defend us. Why should this be?

    The answers to these questions seem to me to be embedded in the story of "The Dark Knight" itself: Doing what's right is hard, and speaking the truth is dangerous. Many have been abhorred for it, some killed, one crucified.

    Leftists frequently complain that right-wing morality is simplistic. Morality is relative, they say; nuanced, complex. They're wrong, of course, even on their own terms.

    Left and right, all Americans know that freedom is better than slavery, that love is better than hate, kindness better than cruelty, tolerance better than bigotry. We don't always know how we know these things, and yet mysteriously we know them nonetheless.

    The true complexity arises when we must defend these values in a world that does not universally embrace them -- when we reach the place where we must be intolerant in order to defend tolerance, or unkind in order to defend kindness, or hateful in order to defend what we love.

    When heroes arise who take those difficult duties on themselves, it is tempting for the rest of us to turn our backs on them, to vilify them in order to protect our own appearance of righteousness. We prosecute and execrate the violent soldier or the cruel interrogator in order to parade ourselves as paragons of the peaceful values they preserve. As Gary Oldman's Commissioner Gordon says of the hated and hunted Batman, "He has to run away -- because we have to chase him."

    That's real moral complexity. And when our artistic community is ready to show that sometimes men must kill in order to preserve life; that sometimes they must violate their values in order to maintain those values; and that while movie stars may strut in the bright light of our adulation for pretending to be heroes, true heroes often must slink in the shadows, slump-shouldered and despised -- then and only then will we be able to pay President Bush his due and make good and true films about the war on terror.

    Perhaps that's when Hollywood conservatives will be able to take off their masks and speak plainly in the light of day.

    Mr. Klavan has won two Edgar Awards from the Mystery Writers of America. His new novel, "Empire of Lies" (An Otto Penzler Book, Harcourt), is about an ordinary man confronting the war on terror.
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    [YOUTUBE]http://youtube.com/watch?v=bFFDdgRj3nE[/YOUTUBE]

    Yet another proponent of Batman as a conservative icon (reposted from the Cool Videos thread)

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    The most clearly stated opinion of the situation that we are in today. It is sad that it is extremely difficult to articulate. The truth will be seen if a Democrat takes office and makes these decisions for the nation. I don't think that right or left of our political spectrum find the war on terror any different, a necessity in the 21st century.

    Pragmatically as a Conservative I look at the abortion topic: myself I hope that people would not need to make that choice but first hand I have had friends who did. Both of them decided that they were too young to get married but that they would stay raise their child together and complete college. It would have been easy to medically eradicate that life and finish college not talking to each other but they went the other way. I don't claim that it was the best thing to do only the right one for them. It has molded my view the subject that making abortion illegal would only lead to more death from poor surgical standards. More over it would place another burden on the state of responsibility over its citizens. Rather we should endeavor to make keeping our children the choice we make.

    The war on terror like abortion is a necessary evil to prevent more death. As an American I wish that it was not our reality that we could ignore it but as a Conservative I understand it is our curse to have to deal with.
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    What a load of BS. I'm sure Batman would have supported the Iraq war...

    Why even have this discussion? It's asinine. And don't say to read it objectively when it's the biggest piece of partisan rubbish i've read in a long while.

    And, if anything, Bush is more like The Joker than Batman, and that is evident by his whole "you are either with us or against us" mentality. (Among other things). We can sit here all day comparing politcal leaders to fictional characters, but it's not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayhawk View Post
    An op-ed piece from the Wall Street Journal. Please read objectively.
    It's hard to read bullshit objectively. I tried, but damn ...
    Batman sometimes has to push the boundaries of civil rights to deal with an emergency, certain that he will re-establish those boundaries when the emergency is past.
    Who the hell could write that with a straight face? Nevermind that he totally missed the point of the whole argument against the removal of personal freedoms in the name of "security".

    It just goes on and on, that's the funniest thing I've read in a while Jay.

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    ..."one crucified."

    Did he honestly put Batman, Jesus, and George W. Bush in the same boat? This is hilarious.
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    Well, I wanted to see the reactions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayhawk View Post
    Well, I wanted to see the reactions.
    I read your post about 40 minutes after watching TDK for the second time. I was on such a high, so it really threw me.
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    This is a fucking stupid article. It is just so christingly fucking stupid.
    I'm actually rather surprised that that dreck managed to make it into the journal, most of the time their stuff isn't complete shit.
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    dammit, I was hoping for "they both drive a BatPod"

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    What the crap.
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    Seeing all the Bush haters all riled up is reason enough for this thread.

    +1 Jay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobfox View Post
    I'm actually rather surprised that that dreck managed to make it into the journal, most of the time their stuff isn't complete shit.
    See below

    Quote Originally Posted by jayhawk View Post
    An op-ed piece from the Wall Street Journal. Please read objectively.
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    I certainly hope you aren't classifying me as a "bush hater"...i'd like to think my approach to politics is a little more nuanced than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labcoatguy View Post
    [YOUTUBE]http://youtube.com/watch?v=bFFDdgRj3nE[/YOUTUBE]

    Yet another proponent of Batman as a conservative icon (reposted from the Cool Videos thread)


    Brilliant.
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    I was just rereading this, and I thought, "Mr. Klavan, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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    Quote Originally Posted by watisdis View Post
    Seeing all the Bush haters all riled up is reason enough for this thread.

    +1 Jay



    See below
    I am aware that this is an op ed piece. They could have chosen to run one of thousands of more pertinent or interesting pieces. This is a frankly foolish comparison.
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