What do you Germans think of your new chancellor?

Tomo Motorsport · November 24th, 2005, 01:06 AM

Being a conservative, I think its cool that Germany got someone from the conservative party, but what do you guys think of her since you have to live with her in the same country?

heres the story from MSNBC:

Angela Merkel

Z Draci · November 24th, 2005, 01:17 AM

I'm not a German living in Germany but I think this is a very positive change.
It is a shame that she already had to make many compromises just to get into power. Hopefully she can make at least some major reforms to turn the economy around.

Maybe it is time to look into investing in German stocks . . .
There should be interesting times ahead.

Buba · November 24th, 2005, 09:06 AM

Yeah its pretty fucked, that the frustrated caused a big coalition between our major parties... Swek may disagree, but since I'm from Bavaria, I was raised to vote for CDU/CSU...

Anyway, I think its good to try out a woman for the job...

Buba

swek · November 24th, 2005, 09:14 AM

No, not at all. The mindstate in Germany is fucked up. Everyone wants a change but when a party actually proposes something everyone suddenly liked the way it was or wants small details changed. Everything would have been better than this coalition.

I don't think that Merkel will change anything though. No party has a clue of how to approach the problems Germany is facing. Desperate measures are all they can offer.

A federalism reform is overdue. That's what this legislation should make their main goal. The current model gives the different states too much power and it's hurting our politics on a national level. But that's something that nobody has the guts or the will to adress.

Oh, and for our Americans in this thread. Having a conservative chancellor doesn't means that they are in power here. They had to bargain with the social democrats to archive this. In fact we're ruled by a conservative-social democratic coalition. images/smilies/wacko.gif

DJ · November 24th, 2005, 11:11 AM

German right = American left

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/smilies/idea.gif

astroboymoto · November 24th, 2005, 12:02 PM

I'm hoping she doesn't want to suck up to Putin as much as Schroeder, smells like a Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact atm images/smilies/lol.gif

ryosuke · November 24th, 2005, 01:01 PM

i don't particularly like merkel, but then i have not particularly liked any chancellor of my time.
i do however, favour the grand coalition very much. the past two months since the election have already looked very promising.

until now, the political scene was always split between the two big parties. when the one in power tried to do something, the opposition always blocked what they could in order to make them loose the next election. they constantly blamed each other for everything; the government blamed the last government for the situation that was now difficult to handle, while the opposition blamed the current government for being incapable of handling it.
politics were not about what was best for this country, they were just a battle between two parties.
now they are finally both directly responsible, so they both can't just play the old game of blaming the other party. they both have to do something together now or they both will loose in the next election.
for example the federalism reforms:
about a year ago, they both struggled for a year to get it done, because the SPD had the majority in the bundestag (republic's diet) and the CDU the majority in the landtag (state's diet), so the CDU could block any reforms or bills that affected the states. to make things easier they wanted to reorganize the responsibilities of the republic and the states, in order to prevent a lot of bills to be blocked by the landtag. but even after eternal discussions they could not find an agreement.
now, throughout the last two months, they suddenly found an agreement, as part of their coalition's contract.
a lot of people feared the grand coalition because they thought it will not last very long and nothing will be done, but i alwasys argued that its the opposite. both are responsible, none of them can just sit back and blame the others. i think it allows us to finally get something done.
the real problem is that most people just moan all the time and want politicians to be magicians. they elect one big party, see that they can't work miracles and dismiss them again in favour of the other. but they aren't magicians either so they dismiss them as well and go for the first again. its always back and fourth and nothing can be achieved because politicies work on long terms. there aren't any short term solutions and if you always change the player before he can reach any goal you will never score one.

mautzel · November 24th, 2005, 04:06 PM

I quite agree with ryosuke, the major fear I've got is that our gouvernment won't last for a whole legislation period. On the one hand I hope that decisions are made now because state's diet won't block the republic's diet now that they are in one coalition. On the other hand these two parties were directly opposite to each other before they were forced to form a coalition, and negotiations beforehand proved to be very difficult because they usually blamed each other for the current situation in Germany.

Personally, I can live with Angela Merkel as cancellor, it definitely would've been much worse if Schroeder would've been reelected.

hajj · November 24th, 2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mautzel

Personally, I can live with Angela Merkel as cancellor, it definitely would've been much worse if Schroeder would've been reelected.

I agree with you, but I still dont reallylike this coalition, of course the two parties worked together before (eg HartzIV), but I still think that this will be difficult. And of course it's not a complete change.

mautzel · November 24th, 2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hajj

Quote:

Originally Posted by mautzel

Personally, I can live with Angela Merkel as cancellor, it definitely would've been much worse if Schroeder would've been reelected.

I agree with you, but I still dont reallylike this coalition, of course the two parties worked together before (eg HartzIV), but I still think that this will be difficult. And of course it's not a complete change.

Ditto!

Tomo Motorsport · November 25th, 2005, 04:54 AM

Quote:

In fact we're ruled by a conservative-social democratic coalition.

Ooooh, Republicrats. Those can be very bad. Wolves in sheeps clothing.

oliB · November 27th, 2005, 05:22 PM

I think she looks horible! images/smilies/tongue.gif

hajj · November 27th, 2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oliB

I think she looks horible! images/smilies/tongue.gif

Sure she does, but so did Margrethe Thatcher and she achieved something. So the look dont seem to be that important in politics...

bone · November 27th, 2005, 06:50 PM

^i think they are

but in the other direction

some hot ass babe can never achieve sth in politics i think

ryosuke · November 27th, 2005, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliB

I think she looks horible! images/smilies/tongue.gif

i just hope i will never experience the time when the beauty of politicians plays the major role in an election...

November 24th, 2005, 01:06 AM	#1
Tomo Motorsport Joined: Mar 28th, 2005 Last Online: January 3rd, 2007 Location: Tacoma, WA, USA Posts: 297 Rep Power: 0	What do you Germans think of your new chancellor? Being a conservative, I think its cool that Germany got someone from the conservative party, but what do you guys think of her since you have to live with her in the same country? heres the story from MSNBC: Angela Merkel __________________ "The best way to get a law repealed is to enforce it strictly." - Abe Lincoln Ignition Online Magazine

November 24th, 2005, 01:17 AM	#2
Z Draci Joined: Mar 31st, 2005 Last Online: May 23rd, 2007 Location: Glendora/Riverside, CA Posts: 915 Rep Power: 0	I'm not a German living in Germany but I think this is a very positive change. It is a shame that she already had to make many compromises just to get into power. Hopefully she can make at least some major reforms to turn the economy around. Maybe it is time to look into investing in German stocks . . . There should be interesting times ahead. __________________ *"The car is the closest thing we will ever create to something that is alive." - Sir William Lyons*

November 24th, 2005, 09:06 AM	#3
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: 09:01 PM Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 5,997 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 38	Yeah its pretty fucked, that the frustrated caused a big coalition between our major parties... Swek may disagree, but since I'm from Bavaria, I was raised to vote for CDU/CSU... Anyway, I think its good to try out a woman for the job... Buba __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

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November 24th, 2005, 01:01 PM	#7
ryosuke Joined: Jul 28th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2008 Location: franconofurd, germsmany Age: 23 Posts: 1,618 Car: FZ50 GTR Rep Power: 15	i don't particularly like merkel, but then i have not particularly liked any chancellor of my time. i do however, favour the grand coalition very much. the past two months since the election have already looked very promising. until now, the political scene was always split between the two big parties. when the one in power tried to do something, the opposition always blocked what they could in order to make them loose the next election. they constantly blamed each other for everything; the government blamed the last government for the situation that was now difficult to handle, while the opposition blamed the current government for being incapable of handling it. politics were not about what was best for this country, they were just a battle between two parties. now they are finally both directly responsible, so they both can't just play the old game of blaming the other party. they both have to do something together now or they both will loose in the next election. for example the federalism reforms: about a year ago, they both struggled for a year to get it done, because the SPD had the majority in the bundestag (republic's diet) and the CDU the majority in the landtag (state's diet), so the CDU could block any reforms or bills that affected the states. to make things easier they wanted to reorganize the responsibilities of the republic and the states, in order to prevent a lot of bills to be blocked by the landtag. but even after eternal discussions they could not find an agreement. now, throughout the last two months, they suddenly found an agreement, as part of their coalition's contract. a lot of people feared the grand coalition because they thought it will not last very long and nothing will be done, but i alwasys argued that its the opposite. both are responsible, none of them can just sit back and blame the others. i think it allows us to finally get something done. the real problem is that most people just moan all the time and want politicians to be magicians. they elect one big party, see that they can't work miracles and dismiss them again in favour of the other. but they aren't magicians either so they dismiss them as well and go for the first again. its always back and fourth and nothing can be achieved because politicies work on long terms. there aren't any short term solutions and if you always change the player before he can reach any goal you will never score one. __________________ Goddo supiido yuu! Burakku emparaa

November 24th, 2005, 09:14 AM	#4
swek Global Moderator Joined: May 19th, 2004 Last Online: 04:22 PM Location: Hamburg, Germany Age: 26 Posts: 4,335 Car: Does a bicycle count? Rep Power: 45	No, not at all. The mindstate in Germany is fucked up. Everyone wants a change but when a party actually proposes something everyone suddenly liked the way it was or wants small details changed. Everything would have been better than this coalition. I don't think that Merkel will change anything though. No party has a clue of how to approach the problems Germany is facing. Desperate measures are all they can offer. A federalism reform is overdue. That's what this legislation should make their main goal. The current model gives the different states too much power and it's hurting our politics on a national level. But that's something that nobody has the guts or the will to adress. Oh, and for our Americans in this thread. Having a conservative chancellor doesn't means that they are in power here. They had to bargain with the social democrats to archive this. In fact we're ruled by a conservative-social democratic coalition.

November 24th, 2005, 12:02 PM	#6
astroboymoto Joined: Jan 11th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 360 Rep Power: 0	I'm hoping she doesn't want to suck up to Putin as much as Schroeder, smells like a Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact atm

November 24th, 2005, 04:06 PM	#8
mautzel Joined: Jan 28th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Frankfurt/M, Deutschland Age: 28 Posts: 2,452 Car: Golf IV TDI Rep Power: 21	I quite agree with ryosuke, the major fear I've got is that our gouvernment won't last for a whole legislation period. On the one hand I hope that decisions are made now because state's diet won't block the republic's diet now that they are in one coalition. On the other hand these two parties were directly opposite to each other before they were forced to form a coalition, and negotiations beforehand proved to be very difficult because they usually blamed each other for the current situation in Germany. Personally, I can live with Angela Merkel as cancellor, it definitely would've been much worse if Schroeder would've been reelected.

November 27th, 2005, 05:22 PM	#12
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