38Most of them considered themselves British and felt they were negotiating a legislature that would help them rather than profit from the work they did. When it was clear they would not get anything but the blood of their brothers they decided that it was best to try to form a more perfect union. At this time the Brits were still a fan of hanging traitors and leaving the body as a demonstration of will and punishment to the cause.
I am anti death penalty, my father was a detective, and he believed that it was not a deterrent to crime. If you are a drug dealer that lives in a kill or be killed world, you are more worried that the next guy is coming, not the needle for your arm.
I know it sound like its even worse but i favor the soviet gulag system. Ship all serious criminals up to Alaska and have them do logging or crab fishing. Both are dangerous jobs and well paid; the money could go to worth causes, like YMCAs that could save youth from becoming criminals.
124Actually, the Gulag camps were ecconomic disasters. They lost lots of money and resources on it, how mad it might seem.
0so, how exactly would you get justice for murder? anything short of killing them doesn't seem like justice to me.Originally Posted by nomix
and I don't disagree with that idea either.
it isn't exactly supposed to be, it was never meant that way. perhaps if it was public then it would be, but that still isn't the point.I am anti death penalty, my father was a detective, and he believed that it was not a deterrent to crime.
the point of the justice system has never been to stop crime, it's to punish crime. stopping crime is the responsability of the police, FBI, etc. yes there have been quite a few cases where people were made examples of in the hopes it would deter some future criminals, but deterring crime was never a job of the justice system.
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Well that is the biggest load of bollocks I have heard in a long time. The last Monarch to not grant Royal Assent to a Parliamentary Bill was Queen Anne in 1702 ie for the last 305 years every bill has been solely decided by Parliament. You guys only declared independance in 1776, 74 years later.
124Prison. It's worse than death.
Not in the dark ages, no, but these days, it surely is. Actually, from that argument, stealing $1000 should not mean prison, it should mean giving the money back (the fact you only gave it back because you by an accident were caught).it isn't exactly supposed to be, it was never meant that way. perhaps if it was public then it would be, but that still isn't the point.
A very serious point of a justice system is detarrence.. A government shouldn't wish for revenge.the point of the justice system has never been to stop crime, it's to punish crime. stopping crime is the responsability of the police, FBI, etc. yes there have been quite a few cases where people were made examples of in the hopes it would deter some future criminals, but deterring crime was never a job of the justice system.
If we look apart from the fact that the argument is irrelevant, which we will, that is bullshit. Democracy my ass, you had slaves. At least we abolished all segregation and what goes with it in 1855, it took you another ten years and many dead to become so democratic that you could abolish slavery, not to forget different laws, grandfather clauses and such. Democracy? Not until the 60s.
0yeah, 3 hots and cot, cable TV, workout equiptment, libraries, email, telephone calls, visistation, yeah that's worse than death.
you do have to pay it back, it's called "restitution".
it's not the main focus, that's why it's not called a "justice and deterrent system".
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Certainly in this country justice is not the main priority. Deterrence and rehabilitation are by far the greatest motivations with sentencing. Revenge or punishment only really come in on people like mass murderers.
38I don't see why justice has to be a stone to be drowned with. Justice should promote virtue and the wellness of a society. That is why i believe that the best sentences should benefit the public; If that is removing a danger from the public, or having a delinquent clean highways. Abuse your society and hence have to improve it; i feel is the only fair, just, and equitable manner of punishment. To say that deliverance is only though hypocrisy is shear madness.
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that may be true but WE made it badass
^ now THERES a winner USA! USA!
pfft. you wouldn't know you werent thereIf we look apart from the fact that the argument is irrelevant, which we will, that is bullshit. Democracy my ass, you had slaves. At least we abolished all segregation and what goes with it in 1855, it took you another ten years and many dead to become so democratic that you could abolish slavery, not to forget different laws, grandfather clauses and such. Democracy? Not until the 60s.
51Sometimes reading a story like this makes me start to rethink my position on the death penalty as well.
124No, neither were you, ceptic.
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That's a new one on me, a Norwegian using Cockney Rhyming Slang.No, neither were you, ceptic.
512 more innocent people released from prison after many years of incarceration.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070123/...ctions_vacated
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You don't need to to be there to know...when youre AMERICANNo, neither were you, ceptic.
124Top Gearism. I'm impressionable.
Too bad they weren't allready executed.
Yes, when you're AMERICAN *raises flag*, you don't need to know ANYTHING!You don't need to to be there to know...when youre AMERICAN
111If the death penalty is democratically chosen by the people then fail to see the problem.........
124The democratic system in the end put Hitler in power, even if he influenced it.
I don't see any reason why any small society of people, like a village, couldn't sentence anyone to death, if they agreed on it.
People are basically stupid, no doubt.
51I just want to add that democracy has its limitations as well. If a majority of the country wanted to bring back slavery, just because it's the will of the people it doesn't make it okay.
111That is why the USA is a Republic, not a Democracy.
38This is a perfect example of why the death sentence should be done away with. Recently this happened in Syracuse where Local man found innocent after 14 years: write up in British paper had some of his life taken away while the murder is free. I believe Jefferson said "better for a hundred guilty men go free, than one innocent man spend a day in prison."
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