Why do "foreigners" judge the US on just a small part? [Rant]

[zaybxcwd12]

You can't base it on land mass, if you are then you can make that same argument with population size and that would be a better indicator.
490,426,060 (Thats just the EU)
301,139,947
Quite a sizable difference, so add Canada because that would be North America and the EU 33,390,141 and it is still massive gap. Using this how is Canada judged compared the the US.

homicide rates (per 100000)
Germany 1.11
France 1.25
United Kingdom 0.86
US 8.3

Not funny I have a 800% more chance of getting murdered if I was an American?

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by zaybxcwd12

Not funny I have a 800% more chance of getting murdered if I was an American?

Again, location, location, location. Places like LA and such horribly blow that average way up.

[Hidden_Hunter]

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Again, location, location, location. Places like LA and such horribly blow that average way up.

and what you don't think that the same happens in other places?

I could say that 3% of our population sniff petrol because 30% of abboriginals do? is that any different?

[BlaRo]

Originally Posted by MXM

I mean that it's stupid not to care. Ok, maybe stupid is a bad word. Irresponsible. At least go and vote against everyone to make a statement if you really dislike all candidates.

I agree with that sentiment, actually. I might run the risk of patriotic circle-jerking here, but it's pathetic how we take such a right for granted and just don't bother anymore. Politics is fucked up and depressing but we should still fight for our rights in the first place. People say, "oh my vote doesn't count, blah blah blah", but at least it's a symbol of everything we've fought for in the past; at most it may actually do something and accomplish some change. There's really no reason not to vote, it's not that hard brushing up on what some candidates believe in and making a decision. If we can obsess over Paris Fucking Hilton, why can't we actually do something useful with our waking hours?

If there's one thing I'm not going to be cynical about, it's that immigrants like my parents came to America to find a better life, and now that they actually have it they can enjoy the stuff we can't do in China.

Hell, even if you wrote on your ballot that you want to vote for David Hasselhoff, it would still be exercising your rights.

[thedguy]

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Again, location, location, location. Places like LA and such horribly blow that average way up.

LA, New York, and Chicago are the reasons the US national average is as low as it is for murders.

[teeb]

Originally Posted by jayhawk

That is fine and good, but read this for more info on the electoral college.

[offtopic]

Yus, I know how the US voting system works (roughly). I was just throwing a random fact in to underline someone's previous statement.

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[phuckingduck]

Originally Posted by thedguy

LA, New York, and Chicago are the reasons the US national average is as low as it is for murders.

Can I hear it for my people in Detroit? Anyone? No?

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by phuckingduck

Can I hear it for my people in Detroit? Anyone? No?

Everyone's busy being murdered.

[thedguy]

Originally Posted by phuckingduck

Can I hear it for my people in Detroit? Anyone? No?

Pretty much every other major city in the US is up. Those 3 cities traded around a really good police chief that came up with a simple way of keeping crime down... focus man power around the worst areas.

[essentialatom]

Because America is a country.

You think that the UK doesn't get steretyped in the same way?

We have stupid people, we have smart people. I'm drunk tonight so I'm one of the stupid people.

Anyway, the fact that Bush is in power is a huge leaning post.

I, at least, realise that most Americans are sensible, normal, rational human, like Brits. It's the voting retardsa that make it uneven.

I've probably offended a few people here, I'm drnk. Dojn't take that as an excuse, please. I want to take full responsibility to foreverything I say. But by and large, it's a dstepreotype. Most Brits realise tyhatr a lot of Americans are not liek that.

[TomCat]

Originally Posted by MXM

Well, if you want to dig up numbers you have to consider how many out of those 300M are in the voting age?

Doesn't matter. You're still judging them, along with everyone else, because of Bush.
It's just more ignorant on your part to judge them, when they couldn't have voted anyway.

Originally Posted by MXM

It would be ignorant to ignore the fact that Bush was elected by americans for the second term. Even if it's 30% of (grown) population. That was my initial point, and it still is.
I'm not trying to say you all have a twisted view on the world, but a (very) large protion of americans do, statistics don't lie

So voting for Bush means you have a twisted view of the world? I'd sure like to know where you pulled that from.

Originally Posted by MXM

And again, if you say that America is so large and diverse, how can you speak and defend all of it based on your own views and views of your friends? [insert your favourite word here. starts with ign...]

So what are you saying? That me pointing out that only 20% of the population voted for Bush means that I am somehow "defending" and "speaking" for them?
I didn't realize pointing out simple facts made me opinionated and ignorant. You're really grasping at straws.

[TomCat]

Originally Posted by zaybxcwd12

You can't base it on land mass, if you are then you can make that same argument with population size and that would be a better indicator.
490,426,060 (Thats just the EU)
301,139,947
Quite a sizable difference, so add Canada because that would be North America and the EU 33,390,141 and it is still massive gap. Using this how is Canada judged compared the the US.

homicide rates (per 100000)
Germany 1.11
France 1.25
United Kingdom 0.86
US 8.3

Not funny I have a 800% more chance of getting murdered if I was an American?

You're much more likely to die in a car accident in the UK then you are of getting shot to death in the US.

Just something to think about.

[nomix]

How about getting killed in a car accident in the states?

The statistic shows that Americans are more angry at each other.

[TomCat]

Originally Posted by nomix

How about getting killed in a car accident in the states?

The statistic shows that Americans are more angry at each other.

It's even worse here. But people seem to be more scared of evil guns then all the other things that kill far more people each day.

What statistic?

[thedguy]

Originally Posted by TomCat

It's even worse here. But people seem to be more scared of evil guns then all the other things that kill far more people each day.

What statistic?

I'm going to hold off going on a rant about idiots who go on about how guns kill people, etc.. but I'll hold back and just say this:

I don't own a gun, I've only ever had 1 in my hand in my life, have no intention of owning or using a gun, but for fucks sake, do not take guns away from law abiding citizens.

In the off beat chance that happens, I will get my hands on several and follow in the revolt.

[zenkidori]

Originally Posted by zaybxcwd12

You can't base it on land mass, if you are then you can make that same argument with population size and that would be a better indicator.

actually land mass is a much better indicator for his argument. You can have 8 people or 8billion people on the same small piece of land and their culture will probably end up being more or less the same, but spread them out in a wide area, and things start to differ.

[MXM]

Originally Posted by TomCat

Doesn't matter. You're still judging them, along with everyone else, because of Bush.

Don't twist my words. I'm not judging everyone or anyone personally, I was just defending a point. Point was, you (americans as a whole) elected Bush and there's no point denying it. He DOES represent an average America whether you like it or not. Or at least he was on 2004.

Originally Posted by TomCat

It's just more ignorant on your part to judge them, when they couldn't have voted anyway.

Once again, I wasn't "judging" anyone, and especially kids under the voting-age. Why would I care about them anyway.

Originally Posted by TomCat

So voting for Bush means you have a twisted view of the world? I'd sure like to know where you pulled that from.

Mmm... Preseting Iraq as a threat for national security and starting a war based on that for example. That was really fair and balanced reason.
I'm not criticizing war itself here (I'm not a war-freak, and I don't know much about it), I'm just talking about reasons people base their votes on.

Originally Posted by TomCat

So what are you saying? That me pointing out that only 20% of the population voted for Bush means that I am somehow "defending" and "speaking" for them?

I was just using your own tactic as example. Ok, I should've be more clear that by you I don't mean you personally, but people in general. Just look at the first post I replied to:

Originally Posted by avanti

People doesn't seem to understand that the decisions of one man and his administration doesn't reflect the views or "intelligence" of a whole nation.

And my point was: yeah, it does. To a quite big extent. Or at least people are OK with these decisions.


It's JUST THIS ONE point I was talking about, if you'll start turning it into personal attacs and using the "you're ignorant" argument, I'm not gonna reply, I hate these so called conversations that this forum is full of. Not that I have anything more to say on the subject anyway.