Why i don't think "gay" is something your born with

[AnGuRuSO]

Originally Posted by Cobol74

Live and let live I say.

I have only been "propositioned" once, very disturbing.

Hey come on! You gotta elabourate.

[watisdis]

Originally Posted by Redliner

I just want to point out a common misconception: evolution is NOT the same as improvement. Evolution is change. What "allows" a behavior or characteristic is selection. With that said, what's the difference is you're born gay or if you choose? As long as you're happy and you don't think any less of me for being heterosexual, I don't see any problem.

1. I never said it was "improvement".

2. Natural selection is part of evolution.

3. You totally missed the point I was trying to make.

Reread my original post if you must, I will not repeat myself again. Rest assured I will not respond to any reply to this post. Thank You.

[Blind_Io]

Originally Posted by Scooby5

You want to re-think calling it a psychological DISorder, it's almost like you're calling homosexuality a disability? Could be that Freud has something to say about that.

Whether it's a choice or in the genes, i don't care because its just that some are and some are not. There is a very thin line between the two. One certainly and possibly two (still waiting on the verdict) of my cousins are gay and it's a tough choice for me to say genes or environment.

They are currently finishing up the next revision to the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) which is the catalog of all psychological disorders. There are some big changes in the works, but not this one. Homosexuality was taken out of the DSM in the last revision, it hasn't been a diagnosable "disorder" for years.

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by watisdis

1. I never said it was "improvement".

I know. I never said YOU said that either.

3. You totally missed the point I was trying to make.

Reread my original post if you must, I will not repeat myself again. Rest assured I will not respond to any reply to this post. Thank You.

Alright then. I didn't answered directly to you, but...

[zenkidori]

Originally Posted by Cobol74

Live and let live I say.

I have only been "propositioned" once, very disturbing.

A woman once came close to trying to set me up with her gay friend after my girlfriend made a joke at my expense. I didn't find it disturbing and took it very well, thanks.

We were going to "first friday" with a friend of ours, who's mother happens to be a lesbian, and first friday is a big lesbian get together at a club downtown, and while at dinner it was noted I was the only male at the table(about 20 people) and my girlfriend said I could be the token "gay boy" for the night, and a woman we hadn't met before started asking if I had a boyfriend and telling me about her friend

It was a pretty cool night, I was one of like 3 guys in the entire club, amongst hundreds of women, and the male bartender always served my drinks first

I say this about homosexuality:

most of the time I think it's something biological, you see the same sort of anomalies in nature. Most of the time it's something "incorrect" with a person biologically(speaking from a procreation standpoint, not moral).

Sometimes it's psychological either brought on by something bad or maybe even good at younger ages.

sometimes people act like it just to be "cool" or whatever(Ann Heche?)

whatever the cause, unless you're involved in the relationship, it's NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS and NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S FUCKING BUSINESS.

Some people are gay, some people aren't. GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY!
the sooner people get over it the sooner the gay pride parades and shit can stop. that's shit is annoying. the only time a parade should ever happen is if a home team wins a championship, or we win a war. Columbus day is dumb, thanksgiving day is dumb, Christmas is dumb, and gay pride is dumb. parades are dumb.

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by zenkidori

NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S FUCKING BUSINESS

The homosexual movement has made it "THE GOVERNMENT'S FUCKING BUSINESS", since marriage has always been between a man and a woman in the history of the United States. The homosexual movement wants to change the definition of marriage in order to receive the "benefits" that straight married couples currently receive, which I think is dumb since civil unions have taken care of that issue for the most part.

[thedguy]

Originally Posted by zenkidori

Some people are gay, some people aren't. GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY!
the sooner people get over it the sooner the gay pride parades and shit can stop. that's shit is annoying. the only time a parade should ever happen is if a home team wins a championship, or we win a war. Columbus day is dumb, thanksgiving day is dumb, Christmas is dumb, and gay pride is dumb. parades are dumb.

You'll like the City of Pasadena then. IIRC it was them who were demanded to have a gay pride parade and the cities response was perfect "as soon as we have a heterosexual pride parade."

[zenkidori]

Originally Posted by cvg

since marriage has always been between a man and a woman in the history of the United States. The homosexual movement wants to change the definition of marriage in order to receive the "benefits" that straight married couples currently receive, which I think is dumb since civil unions have taken care of that issue for the most part.

first of all, that language was NEVER in the constitution(nor should it have been) untill just very recently. before it was a union between "two people".

and civil unions have NOT taken care of the same benefits as marriage, if it had then there wouldn't be an inequality to be mad at.

and also, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CARE? does it effect you if a guy down your street or a guy across the country marries another guy? hint: NO! If your religion doesn't allow gays to get married, I guess they won't be married in your god's eyes, or in your church. what the fuck do you care? seriously? what is the REASON behind the homophobia, besides being insecure about yourself and your beliefs or just plain prejudice?

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by zenkidori

first of all, that language was NEVER in the constitution(nor should it have been) untill just very recently. before it was a union between "two people".

and civil unions have NOT taken care of the same benefits as marriage, if it had then there wouldn't be an inequality to be mad at.

and also, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CARE? does it effect you if a guy down your street or a guy across the country marries another guy? hint: NO! If your religion doesn't allow gays to get married, I guess they won't be married in your god's eyes, or in your church. what the fuck do you care? seriously? what is the REASON behind the homophobia, besides being insecure about yourself and your beliefs or just plain prejudice?

I was just explaining the conflict that exists with the government (as I see it), since you said it's none of the government's business. No need to get personal about it.

[zenkidori]

well, it's a personal issue. the reason the whole gay rights thing even came up at a national level was because of people wanting to stop it for whatever reason, not from gays. some local governments saw the disparity in the way marriages were done and how it was worded ambiguously and decided to start marrying same sex couples as well, since it was never worded that it couldn't be done, and then some homophobic douches started the whole ban gay marriage at a national level bullshit.

[Firecat]

Even if it is a choice, why should it matter? Isn't that the essence of freedom?

[zenkidori]

Originally Posted by Firecat

Even if it is a choice, why should it matter? Isn't that the essence of freedom?

B-I-N-G-O MOTHERFUCKING BINGO!

[Blind_Io]

Yeah, didn't I say something like that on the last page?

The fact is that in the government's eyes marriage should be nothing more than a legal contract between two people. I think that if all these right-wing nutjobs think there is a "war on marriage" we should just eliminate marriage entirely and make everything a Civil Union. If you want a marriage in the eyes of your god then go to church, but you still need the legal Civil Union documents to make it official.

So stuff that in your pipe.

[osabros]

Originally Posted by Cobol74

Live and let live I say.

+1
I don't care if you're gay, do whatever you want. less women for you means more for me

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally Posted by thedguy

I've always felt it was purely psychological, but not necessarily a product of your environment. I wouldn't be surprised if research finds that at least some people are born with a psychological disorder that may make them gay, while others it is a product of their environment...

It would be the only way I can explain the difference to the 2 gay men I've had in my family.

edit: Viper explains it best further down the page.

i wanna know why you get basically 2 types of homosexual man

1) the guy who you actually wouldnt guess was gay unless a) he told you b) you asked and he obliged to tell you or c) walked in on the act.

2) the complete fruit loop with "the voice", the massive always up to date wardrobe, pretty much makes a point about being gay and makes sure you know it the moment you meet.

[LeMans GTR]

Originally Posted by otispunkmeyer

the massive always up to date wardrobe

Having a massive always up to date wardrobe doesn't mean your gay, it just means you know how to make yourself look good.

[zenkidori]

you must be gay

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally Posted by LeMans GTR

Having a massive always up to date wardrobe doesn't mean your gay, it just means you know how to make yourself look good.

sorry i know, but what i was trying to get across was

there are those that you wouldnt know if unless they told you and those who make special efforts to show that they are infact homosexual.

i dont have a problem with people being homosexual, each to his own, them being attracted to the same sex affects my life in about zero ways, even when its me theyre after.

im as straight as an arrow but i've had at least 4 homosexual men interested in me in the past LOL. and no i dont have a huge wardrobe, i do have a unusually deep/flat voice though, and my body isnt exactly in bad shape from over 10 years of hard core swimming. i guess thats what it is, i've known a few people who equate swimmers with being gay. just because we wear nothing but trunks, and get changed in the same room doesnt mean we're gay! though mark foster and ian thorpe arent helping the cause lol

usually after their first mistake of thinking i was homosexual, they back off completely which is cool and instead we're just friends, got a fair few friends who are gay and theyre all good people to be around. just hope you never accidentaly walk in on them is all you gotta do.

i personally dont think that anyone wakes up one day and then choses to be homosexual. its not like that, whether they are born like that or have had something which conditioned their mind to think like that it doesnt really matter, theyre jsut doing whats going to make them the happiest and really you shouldnt deny anyone the right to make themselves happy.

btw, lot of people in this thread refering to them as "the gays" lol.... they are people too you know

[SuperStalin]

Originally Posted by Blind_Io

(maybe with a bump sometime around the Greeks)

It's interesting that from around 800.000 pieces of various artefacts of ancient Greek culture, only two vases depict homosexuals, and there are no reliable documents
saying homosexuality was widely accepted in ancient Greece... yet, everyone believes this modern propaganda.

Some of the independent cities in Greece did allow such practises, historians are only absolutely sure about Thebes.

For example. Alexander the Great. There are no known documents mentioning him
being in love, or having sex with his war buddies. The only thing ever mentioning such a thing is written almost 800 years after his death, and the author of that text was on a smear campaign against the cult of Alexander. Not to mention that Socrates was accused of being a homosexual ( among other things ) and put to death by poison.

In any case, there's no absolutely clear reference, saying that homosexuality was OK,
which is extremely weird, if we're to believe that Greece was a civilization open about its sexuality and homosexuality.

Imagine 3000 years from now, some future archaeologists dig out the remains of our civilization, and only find an ancient DVD store in a certain area of San Francisco...

[Red_Bull]

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