Why i don't think "gay" is something your born with

[Firecat]

Originally Posted by SuperStalin

It's interesting that from around 800.000 pieces of various artefacts of ancient Greek culture, only two vases depict homosexuals, and there are no reliable documents
saying homosexuality was widely accepted in ancient Greece... yet, everyone believes this modern propaganda.

Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that?

[Blind_Io]

I don't believe that homosexual acts between adult men were common, but it was acceptable in Greek culture at the time to have relationships with pre-pubescent boys.

[thedguy]

Originally Posted by Blind_Io

I don't believe that homosexual acts between adult men were common, but it was acceptable in Greek culture at the time to have relationships with pre-pubescent boys.

It was apparently quite common with the Spartans. One tv show I watched went so far as to say that Spartan men were very uncomfortable in the bedroom around spartan women, and only had any sex to procreate.

[SuperStalin]

Originally Posted by Firecat

Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that?

Take ANY original ancient Greek work of literature, or art, and find an obvious proof of homosexuality.

Don't take TV shows, history books and interpretations ( not mine either ) for granted.
See for yourself.

Many interpretations try to make everything and everyone into gays,
but in reality, if Greece was so openly homosexual, you wouldn't need interpretations,
they'd openly write about such sexual practices.

For example "having relations with prepubescent boys" ... and nowhere does it describe an older man actually having sex with a boy...penetrate him, or even being required to have sex with the boy. It does mention "love", but nowhere does it say it's about a dirty old man screwing a little boy.

Same goes for "love" among peers. Nowhere is it described as sex.
Sure, it's probably a closer kind of love and friendship among men than it's common in our civilization, but there's no source clearly saying two men had sex, openly, as popular interpretations of ancient Greece would like us to believe.

I mean, if the ancient Greeks were so enamored of their homosexuality, and even more open about it than our civilization is, wouldn't they also have more gay porn in literature, painting, sculpture, mythology etc.

Modern propaganda also mentions Sappho ( a Greek female poet, from the isle of Lesbos ) as some sort of heroine of the modern Gay-Lesbian movement...
they do however fail to mention she killed herself for the love of Phaon ( a man ).

It's all in the interpretation.

However, it's illogical to think "ancient Greeks were gay" if you know that anal sex was considered shameful in ancient Greece,
it was also considered a great shame for a man to have sex with another man.
There are works of art depicting men hugging, or touching in ways considered "unappropriate" today, but there's no depiction of men having sex,
not in art or literature.

For example, medieval crusaders used to grab eachother by the crotch, probably as a way of saying "hello", or wishing "good luck",
similar to the way modern sportsmen do such stuff, but they sure as hell weren't "openly gay". Some of them surely were into having sex with men,
but I'm pretty sure 90% of people at any time would be as happy about sleeping with a dude, as they would be with sleeping with a very ugly woman.

[SuperStalin]

Originally Posted by thedguy

It was apparently quite common with the Spartans. One tv show I watched went so far as to say that Spartan men were very uncomfortable in the bedroom around spartan women, and only had any sex to procreate.

Gay and lesbian associations aren't the first ones to try and connect themselves
directly to the source of western civilization, in an attempt to gain credibility.

Everyone from Attila the Hun, to Queen Victoria tried to do similar stuff,
invent a connection to ancient Greece, and thus justify themselves as true heirs
to the magnificence of this ancient civilization.

Hitler's cronies tried the same. They said ancient Greeks were nordic Germans.
If they won WWII, today, you'd watch TV shows with blonde Greeks sieg heiling eachother and praising fascism.

[No Boss]

Every post in this thread should be automatically ended, by a filter or something, with the phrase:

"Not that there's anything wrong with that..."

[Gonoc]

Well this is always like putting your head into a beehive, as many many people have said before me, it will never resolve anything. But! If we look past the fancy words and explanations, and I dont think its been mentioned, does the OP or anyone know where the male G-Spot is at? Because its sort of an explanation in itself. Ask any girl how it feels getting her G-Spot stimulated....


I have many gay and lesbian friends and they are just like everyone else, what they choose to do in their private bedroom is frankly none of my business, if it makes them happy who am I to pass judgement?


Oh and I leave you with this most brilliant comment:

"First of all let me make clear, this isnt Gay sex, ok? This is sex between men that want to have sex with other men." William Leap, Anthropology Professor when asked about Senator Larry Criag's bathroom behaviour which lead to his arrest.

[Blind_Io]

I have a good friend who is also gay, he's a great guy and a blast to hang out with. Since we are good friends we can get away with teasing each other about stereotypes related to our sexual orientation - I give him crap about having lousy fashion sense and he says that being straight (or "het" as in "heterosexual") is a choice and I can "get better" if I really try.

Just wanting to show the flip side of the coin.

[trionic]

I'm no expert on this but I have noticed that many pure lesbos are very easy to detect just by visual looking, their hormone balance or something is way wrong and they look more masculine than average. Also some gay men look/act too female.

Of course feelings of gay are genuine, but that doenst take away that they are faulty by natures point of view, many already by born. And if its congenital, no halleluja singing will help.