isp monitoring dl,s? trackers in finalgear?

[1qckmr2]

ok so I got caught by my isp downloading a movie. I am not doing that again. no fine or anything but I cannot download anything again or the isp is going to terminate my account. so I was wondering if finalgear puts a tracker in their files? and how to download top gear without my isp finding out that Im downloading it? I tried giganews, but no .nzb files for newgroups for top gear. any ideas would be great.
Thanks.

[Toshik]

1). Enable cyphering in utorrent.
2). Use programs like PeerGuardian 2
3). If above doesn't help use proxy or vpn.

[bone]

get another ISP?

[matt2000]

When you say you can't download anything, did they specifically say torrents or do they mean files in general? I use Rapidshare as much as possible because I don't think they're watching that as much as torrents, if at all.

[Viper007Bond]

You're fine downloading from FinalGear.

[Quiky]

Or use the FTPs.

[TechZ]

Originally Posted by 1qckmr2

ok so I got caught by my isp downloading a movie. I am not doing that again. no fine or anything but I cannot download anything again or the isp is going to terminate my account. so I was wondering if finalgear puts a tracker in their files? and how to download top gear without my isp finding out that Im downloading it? I tried giganews, but no .nzb files for newgroups for top gear. any ideas would be great.
Thanks.

What do you mean no nzb's for TopGear?

nzbmatrix.com has Top Gear
tvnzb.com has a section for it

[Dr_Grip]

PeerGuardian is bullshit. Blocking whole IP ranges cause they are registered to certain organisations it not what i would call a working strategy to not getting caught.

[Toshik]

Originally Posted by Dr_Grip

PeerGuardian is bullshit. Blocking whole IP ranges cause they are registered to certain organisations it not what i would call a working strategy to not getting caught.

but in complex with encryption and using vpn is a good solution.

[CD82]

Originally Posted by matt2000

I use Rapidshare as much as possible because I don't think they're watching that as much as torrents, if at all.

This. Worst case scenario is that the files get deleted on their servers if someone claims to be the rightful owner. Other than that I never heard of a single case where any of the uploaders or downloaders got into trouble (although it's been a while since I looked into that topic), and at least in Germany the law says that you can't share/upload anything with a copyright, but it doesn't say anything against simply downloading (might have changed in the meantime as well). Torrent = you automatically share the files you are downloading = illegal, Rapidshare = you only download, meaning it's not illegal (it may be morally wrong, but at least it's not against the law)

[Dr_Grip]

Originally Posted by Toshik

but in complex with encryption and using vpn is a good solution.

Nope. Cause it still does no good but cripples your download speed even more than using a VPN (which won't do too much good either) will.

[Toshik]

Originally Posted by Dr_Grip

Nope. Cause it still does no good but cripples your download speed even more than using a VPN (which won't do too much good either) will.

of course in this case you need to sacrifice something: your privacy or download speed.

[Dr_Grip]

Originally Posted by Toshik

of course in this case you need to sacrifice something: your privacy or download speed.

Wait a sec, a VPN by definition requires you to authenticate, which means any data will be trackable back to you from the end of the VPN Tunnel. Privacy won: None.

Blocking whole IP ranges cause they belong to certain organisations does not keep these very resourceful agencies from using other IPs not officially assigned to them to spy at you (i.e. use a "normal" broadband account registered to a non-existing person instead of using a fbi.gov IP). Privacy won: None.

All in all: Using VPN tunnels and/or blocking IP ranges will not do anything good for your privacy.
Setting your Bittorrent client to encryption-only and stop seeding once you have a 2.0 ratio will.


EDIT: Depending on the filter list used, more than 50% of all assigned IPV4 adresses are blocked by PeerGuardian - talk about false positives

[epp_b]

Get another ISP. Yours has no balls.

[Toshik]

Originally Posted by Dr_Grip

Wait a sec, a VPN by definition requires you to authenticate, which means any data will be trackable back to you from the end of the VPN Tunnel. Privacy won: None.

1).Sending traffic through vpn hides it from your ISP completely.So the ISP won't be able to recognize what files you're downloading.
2).There're hundreds of vpn services such as Ipredator which store no traffic data (actually it needs really big resources to capture all your trafic and analyze it in realtime) and quite affordable prices.

If you are still feeling unsecure, you can buy VPS hosting (running Windows or Linux) and run your vpn server software (which writes no logs), such as openvpn and at the time it won't affect your downloading speed, because web-servers usually have good internet connection (probably 100mbits or more).

So it's just a question of money you want to invest in your privacy

[Dr_Grip]

Originally Posted by Toshik

If you are still feeling unsecure, you can buy VPS hosting (running Windows or Linux) and run your vpn server software (which writes no logs), such as openvpn and at the time it won't affect your downloading speed, because web-servers usually have good internet connection (probably 100mbits or more).

Still, the VPN ends at a server operated by you (you buy the hosting) so the unencrypted data leads directly to you. The only way to avoid getting caught is not downloading


By the way, why should i hide the torrent traffic from my ISP? They are the least likely to come after me for what i download - the only thing they'd care about is the amount of data.

[Toshik]

Originally Posted by Dr_Grip

Still, the VPN ends at a server operated by you (you buy the hosting) so the unencrypted data leads directly to you. The only way to avoid getting caught is not downloading

Well, i don't know about other countries but in Russia you can register domain or hosting for fake credentials. I mean that you don't need passport scan, and you can submit whatever you like or just imagined ones.

Originally Posted by Dr_Grip

By the way, why should i hide the torrent traffic from my ISP? They are the least likely to come after me for what i download - the only thing they'd care about is the amount of data.

In this case different organizations such as RIAA and others can make inquiry to your provider. And it'll lead to you.

[Dr_Grip]

Originally Posted by Toshik

Well, i don't know about other countries but in Russia you can register domain or hosting for fake credentials. I mean that you don't need passport scan, and you can submit whatever you like or just imagined ones.
In this case different organizations such as RIAA and others can make inquiry to your provider. And it'll lead to you.

Basically, it seems to me like you thinks it's far easier to obfuscate your tracks than it is. If someone tracked the end of your VPN tunnel, they can simply make an inquiry with them (in case of this swedish company you linked, for example, you're dead for certain - they have to talk, under swedish law. The TPB lawsuits made a point of destroying sweden as a safe haven.

And about registering hosting or a domain under a fake name - the payment will lead to you.
Oldest rule of law enforcement: "follow the money". Or simply follow upload/login logs, if there are any (which will be, somewhere in the depths of the server).

NINJA EDIT:
All this is a moot point anyways. If you encrypt all your torrent traffic, no one but the peers and seeders you connect to will know what you are downloading. You could be a seedbox for debian installers for all they know, and there's nothing wrong with that, neither legally nor morally.

[ESPNSTI]

Originally Posted by Dr_Grip

Basically, it seems to me like you thinks it's far easier to obfuscate your tracks than it is. If someone tracked the end of your VPN tunnel, they can simply make an inquiry with them (in case of this swedish company you linked, for example, you're dead for certain - they have to talk, under swedish law. The TPB lawsuits made a point of destroying sweden as a safe haven.

And about registering hosting or a domain under a fake name - the payment will lead to you.
Oldest rule of law enforcement: "follow the money". Or simply follow upload/login logs, if there are any (which will be, somewhere in the depths of the server).

I agree that it is certainly not that easy (or free), but it can be done I think.

Basically what you need is:
- A host that doesn't care about MPAA, RIAA, etc..., preferably in a country with relaxed copyright laws.

- Pay for it with false credentials, using a prepaid credit card that you can pick up in a store for example. (Although this isn't as easy as it used to be anymore).

- Administer it from a safe location. Use multiple proxies/vpns to connect, or connect from a web cafe or something like that.
Optionally you can use an rss to control your downloads without connecting to the box.

- Add a script or something of that nature to upload the downloaded files to a site such as rapidshare, a newsgroup or as email attachments to a webmail account or something along those lines.

You can take further steps to make it really difficult, but you get the idea.

Originally Posted by Dr_Grip

NINJA EDIT:
All this is a moot point anyways. If you encrypt all your torrent traffic, no one but the peers and seeders you connect to will know what you are downloading. You could be a seedbox for debian installers for all they know, and there's nothing wrong with that, neither legally nor morally.

If one of the seeders or leechers is the MPAA / RIAA, and your seedbox is using your ISP connection, they will know your IP when you upload copyrighted material to them, and they will contact your ISP.
Unless you have an ISP that doesn't care, and / or you live in a country with relaxed laws, you would be screwed at that point.

You could use PeerGuardian to reduce the risk a bit, but I highly doubt that that is foolproof.
Encryption alone doesn't protect you.

[Dr_Grip]

Originally Posted by ESPNSTI

If one of the seeders or leechers is the MPAA / RIAA, and your seedbox is using your ISP connection, they will know your IP when you upload copyrighted material to them, and they will contact your ISP.
Unless you have an ISP that doesn't care, and / or you live in a country with relaxed laws, you would be screwed at that point.

Right, but apart from taking the steps above (which, i would guess, could bring you onto the radar of people much worse than the RIAA, ranging from homeland security to anti-pedo watchdog groups) simply getting a VPN connection somewhere like Toshik suggested wil lead them to you via the VPN provider...

(...and the second they figure out your remote-controlled leechbox uses RapidShare to dump the completed downloads, guess who'll be watching the upped files... the more you do to cover your tracks the more sure you can be someone will go to extreme measures to get you, simply because they want to prove they can)

As i said, as PeerGuardian blocks whole IP ranges based on who registered them, it only offers pseudo-protection as there is no guarantee law enforcement agencys or industry bodies will only operate from IPs assigned directely to them...
...and blocking half the internet like some of PeerGuardian's filter lists do is simply much-too-brute force.

The only way not to be caught is not downloading at all.