QPEL - why??

rodzyneck · November 29th, 2005, 09:42 PM

Hello!

I've downloaded TG [7x03] and I've noticed that it's coded in QPEL, which cant be played by my dvd/divx player... Why have you changed codecs? Could you come back to these which dont need QPEL to play the video? If not, why?

Viper007Bond · November 30th, 2005, 01:22 AM

QP-what?

They're still XviD, just like last season, but they are done with a new version or something (I don't know the exact details), but it allows the encode time to be far less.

jeffy777 · November 30th, 2005, 01:49 AM

It won't play on my DivX player either: "Unsuppoted Codec: QPEL" images/smilies/cry.gif

SL65 · November 30th, 2005, 02:07 AM

rodzyneck - What rip did you download. The 350mb version posted on the sites main page or a 700mb rip from somewhere else??

QPEL what?? Isn't that some DVD codec or something? Anyway, download and use VLC Media Player for this file....that might work.

Viper007Bond · November 30th, 2005, 02:43 AM

Pointing Vuk to this thread.

And this new encoding way takes him 45 min for FG and an hour for TG rather than a couple hours (2 or 3).

jeffy777 · November 30th, 2005, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SL65AMG~V12~604BHP!!!!!!!

QPEL what?? Isn't that some DVD codec or something? Anyway, download and use VLC Media Player for this file....that might work.

I couldn't get the 350 MB VUK rip to play on my DVD/DivX player, but the older rips and the 700 MB ones play fine. I think rodzyneck is talking about a DVD/DivX player too.

If VUK wants to use this new thing since it saves time, that's ok, but I'll probably download the 700 MB versions since I prefer to watch them on my external DivX player and I just bought it for this purpose images/smilies/wink.gif

rogerfripp · November 30th, 2005, 04:17 AM

Many new dvd players support divx and xvid. Some portable hdd's with sound and video connections do as well. QPEL and GMC are extensions to the video codecs that are unsupported by most hardware decoders. They can make a small improvement for those watching on the computer.

It is possible to convert the files to be playable on these devices. I'm sure there's a better way than the program I use, which came with the hdd media player I have. The results aren't always satisfactory and it installs a bunch of software to be able to convert. My conversion of Top Gear 7x03 was out of sync.

I've always really liked VUK's rips and appreciate the effort he makes. But I think for the effort of watching it on the TV and sound system I'll get the 700mb version.

VUK · November 30th, 2005, 09:47 AM

Hmmmmm, I can turn off QPEL to see if that makes a difference, if not then we will go back to old xvid

rodzyneck · November 30th, 2005, 10:17 AM

Yes, I have the same problem as jeffy777, external dvd/divx player and it just doesn't want to play it because of the same reason images/smilies/smile.gif

SL65AMG~V12~604BHP!!!!!!!: I have VUK's rip.

VUK, thanx images/smilies/smile.gif

jeffy777 · December 1st, 2005, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VUK

Hmmmmm, I can turn off QPEL to see if that makes a difference, if not then we will go back to old xvid

Thanks VUK images/smilies/smile.gif

I have been reading up on QPEL and it seems that adding it takes away Standalone MPEG4 player compatibility. So I think that's the only thing keeping the file from working on our external DivX players.

didlin · December 2nd, 2005, 03:37 AM

My Divx/DVDplayer also does not support Qpell.

It doesnt bother me that i cant watch them on Divx/DVDplayer but my dad who loves to watch Top Gear was disapointed.

Whatever you guys end up doing i wont complain. I'll find a way for him to watch it.

tvrfreak · December 2nd, 2005, 02:32 PM

*************** VUK **************

PLEASE ** D I S A B L E ***** QPEL encoding, Apparently QPEL is enabled by default in the newer XVID codecs for encoding. Please use your older XVID encoder or disable QPEL!

PLEASE TURN THAT OFF as I can no longer play your excellent files on my hard disk DivX XVid player - as everyone else has said above me.

VUK, any reason why you cant use DivX as its way more stable for the hardware players - XVID is a moving target - in my opinion XVID blows chunks.

I am sure we can all contribute money to help you buy the commercial DivX codec encoder!

rodzyneck · December 5th, 2005, 01:15 PM

Thanks for turning it off, at least according to GSpot, haven't tested it on my player yet images/smilies/smile.gif

jeffy777 · December 5th, 2005, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodzyneck

Thanks for turning it off

Yes, thanks VUK images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

JB · December 21st, 2005, 06:32 AM

Another hint for Divx Box comatability: in the XviD encoding options set the FOURCC to DX50 and the maximum number of consecutive B-Frames from 2 to 1. Now the files should work on just about anything that has Divx written on it.

tvrfreak · December 26th, 2005, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB

Another hint for Divx Box comatability: in the XviD encoding options set the FOURCC to DX50 and the maximum number of consecutive B-Frames from 2 to 1. Now the files should work on just about anything that has Divx written on it.

VUK please try what he suggests with the next episode, Can you re-encode the Bugatti episode as I think it needs the changes JB suggests. Its the one episode I was waiting for and now I need to re-encode it for my hardware platform which sucks!

I still had a few problems after VUK disabled QPEL, JB your suggested changes may have do the trick - as my hardware player (a Media Gate MG-35) is playing the recent episode with audio sync issues.

VUK, please, please BASELINE your encoding method/settings as it was rock solid until you changed the qpel settings recently. All of 2005 series 1 worked absolutely perfectly!

If you can write down exactly how you encode each show then you will be able to reproduce encodings perfectly.

I think we should have a few people who have hardware players ( I will be one of them ) who you can send a small sample file to check for encoding issues when you upgrade to newer XVIDs.

Just a 3 minute sequence should be fine I think.

Do others want to put forward their players to check when VUK upgrades his XVID encoding methods in the future?

I'd far prefer it if you went DivX as its much more portable across non-PC platforms.

Buba · December 26th, 2005, 05:25 PM

just dl the 700mb version...

the scene will hopefully stick to non qpel releases as there is no standalone i know of that plays them (maybe a kiss??? but the one I have in mind was around 300 euros...)

No need to try different encodings, qpel is the killer. Plus there are tons of sites that state which player can do what.

Oh, and GMC is also bad...

@TVR Freak: Xvid has superiour quality over Divx, thats the reason the scene uses it as well...

JB · January 2nd, 2006, 11:05 AM

I don't think the settings I suggested would help with A/V synch issues. They are more for cases of stuttering or not playing at all. I guess you'll have to experiment yourself to find out what your player isn't liking.

Shame these sort of problems occur, I think the XviD default settings should try to be as Divx compilant as possible which they are not. Newer versions even have a predefined Divx profile but with settings that still won't work on a lot of Divx boxes.

jeffy777 · January 2nd, 2006, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB

I don't think the settings I suggested would help with A/V synch issues. They are more for cases of stuttering or not playing at all. I guess you'll have to experiment yourself to find out what your player isn't liking.

Shame these sort of problems occur, I think the XviD default settings should try to be as Divx compilant as possible which they are not. Newer versions even have a predefined Divx profile but with settings that still won't work on a lot of Divx boxes.

If I enocde XviD with AutoGK then it plays fine on my Philips DivX player: No QPEL, No GMC, no weird Quant types, etc.

November 29th, 2005, 09:42 PM	#1
rodzyneck Joined: May 25th, 2005 Last Online: January 17th, 2006 Location: Wroclaw, Poland Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	QPEL - why?? Hello! I've downloaded TG [7x03] and I've noticed that it's coded in QPEL, which cant be played by my dvd/divx player... Why have you changed codecs? Could you come back to these which dont need QPEL to play the video? If not, why?

November 30th, 2005, 01:22 AM	#2
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 12:46 PM Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,086 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 237	QP-what? They're still XviD, just like last season, but they are done with a new version or something (I don't know the exact details), but it allows the encode time to be far less. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

November 30th, 2005, 01:49 AM	#3
jeffy777 Joined: Feb 8th, 2005 Last Online: 05:42 PM Location: US Age: 27 Posts: 5,662 Car: '04 Toyota Sienna, crippled people like vans.... Rep Power: 53	It won't play on my DivX player either: "Unsuppoted Codec: QPEL" __________________ A man named Jeffy once said, "If laziness is craziness, then I've lost my marbles...and I don't feel like trying to find them."

November 30th, 2005, 02:43 AM	#5
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 12:46 PM Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,086 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 237	Pointing Vuk to this thread. And this new encoding way takes him 45 min for FG and an hour for TG rather than a couple hours (2 or 3). __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

November 30th, 2005, 09:47 AM	#8
VUK The Other Half Of This Site Joined: Dec 8th, 2003 Last Online: December 26th, 2008 Location: UK Posts: 430 Rep Power: 0	Hmmmmm, I can turn off QPEL to see if that makes a difference, if not then we will go back to old xvid __________________

November 30th, 2005, 02:07 AM	#4
SL65 Ambitious but rubbish! Joined: Jul 12th, 2004 Last Online: 05:42 AM Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 18 Posts: 9,189 Car: 1998 Subaru Legacy 2.5L Rep Power: 41	rodzyneck - What rip did you download. The 350mb version posted on the sites main page or a 700mb rip from somewhere else?? QPEL what?? Isn't that some DVD codec or something? Anyway, download and use VLC Media Player for this file....that might work.

November 30th, 2005, 04:17 AM	#7
rogerfripp Joined: Nov 30th, 2005 Last Online: November 30th, 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Many new dvd players support divx and xvid. Some portable hdd's with sound and video connections do as well. QPEL and GMC are extensions to the video codecs that are unsupported by most hardware decoders. They can make a small improvement for those watching on the computer. It is possible to convert the files to be playable on these devices. I'm sure there's a better way than the program I use, which came with the hdd media player I have. The results aren't always satisfactory and it installs a bunch of software to be able to convert. My conversion of Top Gear 7x03 was out of sync. I've always really liked VUK's rips and appreciate the effort he makes. But I think for the effort of watching it on the TV and sound system I'll get the 700mb version.

November 30th, 2005, 10:17 AM	#9
rodzyneck Joined: May 25th, 2005 Last Online: January 17th, 2006 Location: Wroclaw, Poland Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Yes, I have the same problem as jeffy777, external dvd/divx player and it just doesn't want to play it because of the same reason SL65AMG~V12~604BHP!!!!!!!: I have VUK's rip. VUK, thanx

December 2nd, 2005, 03:37 AM	#11
didlin Joined: Dec 18th, 2004 Last Online: March 13th, 2007 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	ditto My Divx/DVDplayer also does not support Qpell. It doesnt bother me that i cant watch them on Divx/DVDplayer but my dad who loves to watch Top Gear was disapointed. Whatever you guys end up doing i wont complain. I'll find a way for him to watch it.

December 2nd, 2005, 02:32 PM	#12
tvrfreak Joined: Jan 2nd, 2005 Last Online: September 29th, 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	************* VUK ********** PLEASE D I S A B L E ***** QPEL encoding, Apparently QPEL is enabled by default in the newer XVID codecs for encoding. Please use your older XVID encoder or disable QPEL! PLEASE TURN THAT OFF as I can no longer play your excellent files on my hard disk DivX XVid player - as everyone else has said above me. VUK, any reason why you cant use DivX as its way more stable for the hardware players - XVID is a moving target - in my opinion XVID blows chunks. I am sure we can all contribute money to help you buy the commercial DivX codec encoder! __________________ My TVR Freak Blog : http://tvrfreak.blogspot.com - "TVR bias guaranteed"

December 5th, 2005, 01:15 PM	#13
rodzyneck Joined: May 25th, 2005 Last Online: January 17th, 2006 Location: Wroclaw, Poland Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for turning it off, at least according to GSpot, haven't tested it on my player yet

December 21st, 2005, 06:32 AM	#15
JB Joined: Dec 21st, 2005 Last Online: October 24th, 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Another hint for Divx Box comatability: in the XviD encoding options set the FOURCC to DX50 and the maximum number of consecutive B-Frames from 2 to 1. Now the files should work on just about anything that has Divx written on it.

December 26th, 2005, 05:25 PM	#17
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: 07:17 AM Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 6,028 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 40	just dl the 700mb version... the scene will hopefully stick to non qpel releases as there is no standalone i know of that plays them (maybe a kiss??? but the one I have in mind was around 300 euros...) No need to try different encodings, qpel is the killer. Plus there are tons of sites that state which player can do what. Oh, and GMC is also bad... @TVR Freak: Xvid has superiour quality over Divx, thats the reason the scene uses it as well... __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

January 2nd, 2006, 11:05 AM	#18
JB Joined: Dec 21st, 2005 Last Online: October 24th, 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	I don't think the settings I suggested would help with A/V synch issues. They are more for cases of stuttering or not playing at all. I guess you'll have to experiment yourself to find out what your player isn't liking. Shame these sort of problems occur, I think the XviD default settings should try to be as Divx compilant as possible which they are not. Newer versions even have a predefined Divx profile but with settings that still won't work on a lot of Divx boxes.

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