So Nissan has made it difficult for me to lift my car...

zeoniks · January 5th, 2009, 1:30 PM

So I plan on changing my car oil some time this week and purchased a floor jack and some jack stands, however this is one niggling obstacle in my way.

There is this flange (a lip, whatever you want to call it) that requires a jack stand adapter; if you don't have one and try to use a set a jack stands, the weight of the car will crush the lip and possibly my face.

Unfortunately, after visiting a few Nissan/Infiniti forums, the best solutions were 1) use a hockey puck or 2) making one yourself because apparently none of those adapters ever went into production (not by Nissan or its suppliers, at least)

Here are some pictures to let you see what I'm seeing (I apologize for the focus. I was just taking quick shots):

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5214/img7930mediummc0.jpg

By zeoniks

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3669/img7934mediumik4.jpg

By zeoniks

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2574/img7935mediumlw1.jpg

By zeoniks

I don't know if you can judge how thick the frame rail is, but I think I can put the jack stand on the inside of the lip, directly on the rail.

As far as I know, I don't think the lip adds to the integrity of rail, but I also can't help but feel that the lip is there for a reason. Can anyone here give me some input?

Shawn · January 5th, 2009, 1:35 PM

Can't you just buy a pair of those mini ramp thingies? Should give you enough clearance for an oil change.

zeoniks · January 5th, 2009, 1:45 PM

I could buy those ramps, but you can't rotate tires with those things images/smilies/smile.gif

Besides, I just spent about $150 for four stands and a jack, and those ramps are ridiculously expensive.

Shawn · January 5th, 2009, 2:01 PM

Oh, your car has no jack itself at all?

Those ramps don't seem too expensive, it's just hunks of metal. images/smilies/wink.gif

zeoniks · January 5th, 2009, 2:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn

Oh, your car has no jack itself at all?

Those ramps don't seem too expensive, it's just hunks of metal. images/smilies/wink.gif

I can jack it up, but I can't set my jack stands under the frame rail because of the lip.

As the for the ramps, I'm probably not going to buy them because I could easily just get a few pieces of stacked wood and drive on top of them. Sometime in the future, I'm probably going to change a tire or two, and a ramp won't work so I might as well find a way to get my stands to work right now and not worry about them later.

Shawn · January 5th, 2009, 2:46 PM

Hmm, maybe someone has some technical info. I just thought those ramps seemed efficient for some reason.

But I wouldn't drive onto anything stacked... images/smilies/wacko.gif

zeoniks · January 5th, 2009, 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn

Hmm, maybe someone has some technical info. I just thought those ramps seemed efficient for some reason.

But I wouldn't drive onto anything stacked... images/smilies/wacko.gif

There is also another issue with the ramps too. The car won't be level and there's a good chance the oil won't drain properly.

Twerp128 · January 5th, 2009, 2:59 PM

Just stick a hunk of wood on the jack, make sure it's secure first. Or you can take your jack stands back and buy some fancy ones with rubber bumper thingies on top. Lots of cars have that lip like that, and the notches just identify the jacking point, so even soccer moms know where to jack the car when they get a flat.

NooDle · January 5th, 2009, 3:15 PM

Is this one of those "let's make it stupidly hard to do so people will go to the garage and ask us to do it, and we can charge them through the butthole" things like the Renault headlamps?

because that's pretty fail of Nissan...
they should include a hockeypuck in the spare tyre then images/smilies/lol.gif

Twerp128 · January 5th, 2009, 6:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NooDle

because that's pretty fail of Nissan...

Most every unibody car has that lip. You can jack it up on the lip without it bending, just be careful. If you must just use a 2x4 or some rags to protect it.

Spectre · January 5th, 2009, 6:54 PM

Jack adapter: http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/p...ProductID=2061

Put the jackstands under the subframe(s) or suspension arms like you're supposed to on non-hardpoint-equipped unibody cars.

If you can't do that for some reason (check your manual), there's these:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=95952

zeoniks · January 6th, 2009, 2:12 AM

Thanks Spectre.

I appreciate the help, but I think I'm going to take it up another notch and mill out some adapters from some stock.
I managed to make temporary adapters out of some wood and get my oil changed, but it's not going to support the weight of a 2-ton car.

jayjaya29 · January 6th, 2009, 4:15 AM

Been using blocks of wood for 2 years now. On both the jacks and the jack stands.

Not the safest solution, but I make sure to have redundancy in my lift equipment, has been fine thus far.

Most common cars nowaday has this frame frame "lip", blocks of wood work just fine, even when lifting the front of my neighbor's 05 hemi charger

Flyingphil · January 6th, 2009, 6:04 AM

As a tall, "off road" vehicle, I'd have thought you could do the oil without jacking it at all.

I had no trouble getting under a Holden Jackaroo (Isuzu Trooper) I once had, to change the oil and it only had average ground clearance for a 4WD.

Punisher Bass · January 6th, 2009, 6:13 AM

Still calling it your car eh? After all you've done to it I'm surprised your parents let you within 20 feet of it. So when you damage something this time around, who's fault is it going to be now?

E34lover · January 6th, 2009, 8:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punisher Bass

Still calling it your car eh? After all you've done to it I'm surprised your parents let you within 20 feet of it. So when you damage something this time around, who's fault is it going to be now?

LOL! I just back and all off his threads about his car and what you said about it! images/smilies/lol.gif

D-Fence · January 6th, 2009, 2:53 PM

Wood is the way to go images/smilies/smile.gif

http://pic.phyrefile.com/d/d-/d-fence/2009/01/06/DSC01215.JPG

The lip sinks into the wood as you can see on the block images/smilies/biggrin.gif

(and yes, that is a drumbrake on my rear axle, and yes, I use some old underpants for cleaning stuff images/smilies/tongue.gif

)

zeoniks · January 6th, 2009, 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingphil

As a tall, "off road" vehicle, I'd have thought you could do the oil without jacking it at all.

I had no trouble getting under a Holden Jackaroo (Isuzu Trooper) I once had, to change the oil and it only had average ground clearance for a 4WD.

Yeah I tried. The Murano's clearance isn't as high as one would think. I need to get it off the ground another inch or two in order to get under it.

zeoniks · January 6th, 2009, 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Fence

Wood is the way to go images/smilies/smile.gif

The lip sinks into the wood as you can see on the block images/smilies/biggrin.gif

(and yes, that is a drumbrake on my rear axle, and yes, I use some old underpants for cleaning stuff images/smilies/tongue.gif

)

That's ridiculous images/smilies/lol.gif

.

I mean if you're just working on the wheel assembly I guess that wouldn't be too much a of a problem. If the wood splits, at least you won't be under the car.

I am really paranoid; I stacked a couple of cinder blocks under the center-front jack point.

Spectre · January 6th, 2009, 5:18 PM

Ummmm.... Cinder blocks are a BAAAAAAAD idea.

January 5th, 2009, 1:30 PM	#1
zeoniks Joined: Aug 19th, 2005 Last Online: July 15th, 2009 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 629 Car: 2007 Nissan Murano Rep Power: 18	So Nissan has made it difficult for me to lift my car... So I plan on changing my car oil some time this week and purchased a floor jack and some jack stands, however this is one niggling obstacle in my way. There is this flange (a lip, whatever you want to call it) that requires a jack stand adapter; if you don't have one and try to use a set a jack stands, the weight of the car will crush the lip and possibly my face. Unfortunately, after visiting a few Nissan/Infiniti forums, the best solutions were 1) use a hockey puck or 2) making one yourself because apparently none of those adapters ever went into production (not by Nissan or its suppliers, at least) Here are some pictures to let you see what I'm seeing (I apologize for the focus. I was just taking quick shots): By zeoniks By zeoniks By zeoniks I don't know if you can judge how thick the frame rail is, but I think I can put the jack stand on the inside of the lip, directly on the rail. As far as I know, I don't think the lip adds to the integrity of rail, but I also can't help but feel that the lip is there for a reason. Can anyone here give me some input?

January 5th, 2009, 1:45 PM	#3
zeoniks Joined: Aug 19th, 2005 Last Online: July 15th, 2009 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 629 Car: 2007 Nissan Murano Rep Power: 18	I could buy those ramps, but you can't rotate tires with those things Besides, I just spent about $150 for four stands and a jack, and those ramps are ridiculously expensive.

January 5th, 2009, 2:59 PM	#8
Twerp128 Joined: Oct 6th, 2006 Last Online: 9:40 PM Location: Indiana Age: 22 Posts: 2,508 Car: '83 Porsche 944, '91 Miazda Rep Power: 103	Just stick a hunk of wood on the jack, make sure it's secure first. Or you can take your jack stands back and buy some fancy ones with rubber bumper thingies on top. Lots of cars have that lip like that, and the notches just identify the jacking point, so even soccer moms know where to jack the car when they get a flat. __________________

January 5th, 2009, 6:54 PM	#11
Spectre Joined: Feb 1st, 2007 Last Online: 10:40 PM Location: Dallas, Texas Age: 32 Posts: 8,130 Car: 87 XJ6, 95 XJR, 90 WD21, 86 CB700SC, 98 PC800 Rep Power: 184	Jack adapter: http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/p...ProductID=2061 Put the jackstands under the subframe(s) or suspension arms like you're supposed to on non-hardpoint-equipped unibody cars. If you can't do that for some reason (check your manual), there's these: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=95952 __________________ Enough is enough. We are not here to subsidize your clueless business plans or reward your failures. 1986 Honda Nighthawk 700S (project, light restoration in progress) 1987 Jaguar XJ6 Series III Vanden Plas (modified) 1990 Nissan (WD21) Pathfinder SE 4x4 (little red offroad commuter box) 1995 Jaguar (X300) XJR 1998 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 (two-wheeled pickup truck/utility bike) Last edited by Spectre; January 5th, 2009 at 7:00 PM.

January 6th, 2009, 4:15 AM	#13
jayjaya29 Joined: Mar 18th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Lindenhurst, NY Age: 21 Posts: 5,202 Car: 2000 Nissan Altima Rep Power: 33	Been using blocks of wood for 2 years now. On both the jacks and the jack stands. Not the safest solution, but I make sure to have redundancy in my lift equipment, has been fine thus far. Most common cars nowaday has this frame frame "lip", blocks of wood work just fine, even when lifting the front of my neighbor's 05 hemi charger __________________ Check out my Gallery. Check out my Car.

January 5th, 2009, 1:35 PM	#2
Shawn Lexus? Oh shi- Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: July 30th, 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Age: 24 Posts: 11,026 Car: '07 Boring Poseur Mobile Rep Power: 134	Can't you just buy a pair of those mini ramp thingies? Should give you enough clearance for an oil change.

January 5th, 2009, 2:01 PM	#4
Shawn Lexus? Oh shi- Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: July 30th, 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Age: 24 Posts: 11,026 Car: '07 Boring Poseur Mobile Rep Power: 134	Oh, your car has no jack itself at all? Those ramps don't seem too expensive, it's just hunks of metal.

January 5th, 2009, 2:46 PM	#6
Shawn Lexus? Oh shi- Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: July 30th, 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Age: 24 Posts: 11,026 Car: '07 Boring Poseur Mobile Rep Power: 134	Hmm, maybe someone has some technical info. I just thought those ramps seemed efficient for some reason. But I wouldn't drive onto anything stacked...

January 6th, 2009, 2:12 AM	#12
zeoniks Joined: Aug 19th, 2005 Last Online: July 15th, 2009 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 629 Car: 2007 Nissan Murano Rep Power: 18	Thanks Spectre. I appreciate the help, but I think I'm going to take it up another notch and mill out some adapters from some stock. I managed to make temporary adapters out of some wood and get my oil changed, but it's not going to support the weight of a 2-ton car.

January 6th, 2009, 6:04 AM	#14
Flyingphil Joined: Oct 4th, 2008 Last Online: January 6th, 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 32 Car: 1989 BMW 535i Rep Power: 5	As a tall, "off road" vehicle, I'd have thought you could do the oil without jacking it at all. I had no trouble getting under a Holden Jackaroo (Isuzu Trooper) I once had, to change the oil and it only had average ground clearance for a 4WD.

January 6th, 2009, 6:13 AM	#15
Punisher Bass He who drives a Buick Joined: Feb 25th, 2007 Last Online: 10:47 PM Location: St Louis, MO Age: 25 Posts: 1,660 Car: 98 Buick Park Avenue Ultra Rep Power: 62	Still calling it your car eh? After all you've done to it I'm surprised your parents let you within 20 feet of it. So when you damage something this time around, who's fault is it going to be now? __________________ The Mighty Buick Of Destruction

January 6th, 2009, 2:53 PM	#17
D-Fence Ibiza-Proll Joined: Apr 2nd, 2006 Last Online: 3:32 PM Location: #gear in IRC Posts: 3,310 Car: Spanish Polo with LPG engine. Rep Power: 185	Wood is the way to go The lip sinks into the wood as you can see on the block (and yes, that is a drumbrake on my rear axle, and yes, I use some old underpants for cleaning stuff ) __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the doors of heaven in a perfectly intact body, but rather to crash through the pearly gates sideways in a car with bald tires, an empty tank and your brakes on fire shouting HOLY SHIT WHAT A RIDE! RINGMEET 2009 - THE REPORT: LINK

January 6th, 2009, 5:18 PM	#20
Spectre Joined: Feb 1st, 2007 Last Online: 10:40 PM Location: Dallas, Texas Age: 32 Posts: 8,130 Car: 87 XJ6, 95 XJR, 90 WD21, 86 CB700SC, 98 PC800 Rep Power: 184	Ummmm.... Cinder blocks are a BAAAAAAAD idea. __________________ Enough is enough. We are not here to subsidize your clueless business plans or reward your failures. 1986 Honda Nighthawk 700S (project, light restoration in progress) 1987 Jaguar XJ6 Series III Vanden Plas (modified) 1990 Nissan (WD21) Pathfinder SE 4x4 (little red offroad commuter box) 1995 Jaguar (X300) XJR 1998 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 (two-wheeled pickup truck/utility bike)

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