Is my laptop better off with a 64bit WinXP?

Alok · September 6th, 2008, 1:14 PM

Here's the dxdiag.txt from my laptop. I read split responses that my process is 64bit capable. What do you guy think?

http://files.phyrefile.com/file/2008/09/06/DxDiag.txt

Thanks

Dr_Q · September 6th, 2008, 1:35 PM

Unless you plan on getting a few more GB of RAM I don't really see the point. With 32bit Windows the maximum it will detect is 3.5 (even if you have 4GB in which I currently do). If you ask me you will be far better off spending the money on getting drunk or yoga or something images/smilies/smile.gif

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Alok · September 6th, 2008, 1:44 PM

Well, 64bit licensed Win XP Professional is free for me anyways images/smilies/smile.gif

Solberg · September 6th, 2008, 2:14 PM

Then go for it.

Alok · September 6th, 2008, 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solberg

Then go for it.

Well, I wanna know why, if there is specific reason to believe that my notebook will run stuff like lightroom and photoshop quicker, and have access to more ram, then I will.

I have been getting a lot of "out of memory" errors from pshop and lightroom while editing 30,000 pixel wide images lately.

Dr_Q · September 6th, 2008, 2:52 PM

If it's free then go for it. Laptop RAM is pretty expensive even with the general cheapness with memory at the moment. Without upgrading things I don't think the performance difference will be noticeable though (unless you like benchmarking perhaps).

prizrak · September 6th, 2008, 5:20 PM

XP 64 is an absolutely terrible OS with very little support from ISV's and OEM's. I would suggest trying a dual boot first to make sure everything works properly.

FATMOUSE · September 6th, 2008, 5:27 PM

Bad driver support for winx64 apparently.

On my laptop and desktop (core2duo, amdk8) I use 64bit linux, which does have all the drivers so it works well.
But not really making a difference unless you want a huge address space or need fast 64bit floating point precision for scientific stuff.

Alok · September 6th, 2008, 6:23 PM

Hmm, no my only needs are this out of memory issues, despite 3 gigs of ram

WillDAQ · September 6th, 2008, 8:23 PM

Put simply XP x64 is a backwater of Windows development. You'll get drivers for most common hardware (except Webcams?!) but if you've got anything even remotely interesting check first.

Performance wise it really makes sod all difference.

(ex x64 user who went back to 32!)

Alok · September 9th, 2008, 7:17 PM

Thanks for the input guys, I think I will stay with 32bit XP then images/smilies/smile.gif

Zorlac · September 13th, 2008, 12:37 AM

Generally speaking if you dont know why you need 64bit, you dont need it. The only exception is if you wanna use 4gb or more (and arent comfortable with the 3.5gb limit on 32bit).

Vista64 I've heard is actually very good. XP64 was more of a test, not really ready or even meant for prime time. Stick with XP or Vista32 for now. When you need 64bit (and have apps that take advantage with 64bit) upgrade to Vista64.

Quiky · September 14th, 2008, 6:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorlac

Generally speaking if you dont know why you need 64bit, you dont need it. The only exception is if you wanna use 4gb or more (and arent comfortable with the 3.5gb limit on 32bit).

Vista64 I've heard is actually very good. XP64 was more of a test, not really ready or even meant for prime time. Stick with XP or Vista32 for now. When you need 64bit (and have apps that take advantage with 64bit) upgrade to Vista64.

Except for random driver incompatibilities with Vista64. Half of Xerox drivers don't work, Google apps dont install properly, can't run Sandboxie..

Viper007Bond · September 14th, 2008, 6:15 AM

I run Vista64. No problems here.

Shawn · September 14th, 2008, 6:31 AM

^ Same with me, been running it for a few weeks without any problems. Mind I have a very recent machine, but I still found all the drivers I needed, even for my WiFi antenna that has been with me through multiple computers.

But as others say, don't expect a huge increase in performance. Even using Lightroom 2 which is optimized for 64-bit, the performance increase is negligible... so keeping in mind most apps aren't even 64-bit yet, you're going to notice zero performance boost with most things.

Oh, and yeah, don't get XP 64-bit (Vista is a different matter). I tried that one and failed to find drivers for most of my hardware. Sure, Microsoft kindly provide their own awesome generic drivers for video cards, CPUs and the like, but that's not really much help.

Cold Fussion · September 27th, 2008, 4:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alok

Well, I wanna know why, if there is specific reason to believe that my notebook will run stuff like lightroom and photoshop quicker, and have access to more ram, then I will.

I have been getting a lot of "out of memory" errors from pshop and lightroom while editing 30,000 pixel wide images lately.

Photoshop and lightroom aren't 64 bit atm so you wont get any advantage in that respect. The new versions of photoshop and lightroom will be 64 bit so will take advantage of extra ram and such. If its free go for it.

FATMOUSE · September 27th, 2008, 5:32 AM

Sometimes I really wonder about Windows and all the 64 bit problems.

From my computer:
arjun@foxhound:~$ uname -m
x86_64

Everything works, everything has drivers. Do manufacturers really not want to support x64 vista for some reason?

argatoga · September 27th, 2008, 5:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

I run Vista64. No problems here.

Ditto. There isn't much of a difference. You get some extra security goodies due to new technology added into the new 64bit cpus, but thats it. If you decide to go over three and a half gig of ram than there is a reason, but otherwise it isn't worth it.

Polygon · September 27th, 2008, 6:08 AM

You're not going to see a speed increase unless you are running any 64 bit apps or if you're just wanting a crap load of memory. I would be concerned about certain drivers in Vista 64 and especially XP 64. I've heard that my X-Fi will have issues in Vista 64 which I don't know if that holds any water. I know my printer won't work, but that's what printer servers are for. I would say if you're not using 64 bit apps or need a ton of memory stick with 32 bit.

Shawn · September 27th, 2008, 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Fussion

Photoshop and lightroom aren't 64 bit atm so you wont get any advantage in that respect. The new versions of photoshop and lightroom will be 64 bit so will take advantage of extra ram and such. If its free go for it.

Like I said in the post above yours, Lightroom 2 comes with a 64-bit version an it's already out. images/smilies/smile.gif

http://pic.phyrefile.com/s/sh/shawn/2008/09/27/LR2.jpg

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Dr_Q Joined: Oct 9th, 2007 Last Online: 6:48 PM Location: United Kingdom of Englandlandshire Posts: 518 Car: Horse & Cart Rep Power: 19	Unless you plan on getting a few more GB of RAM I don't really see the point. With 32bit Windows the maximum it will detect is 3.5 (even if you have 4GB in which I currently do). If you ask me you will be far better off spending the money on getting drunk or yoga or something . __________________ Flickr

September 6th, 2008, 1:44 PM	#3
Alok The TomTom did it. Joined: Apr 1st, 2005 Last Online: 6:46 PM Location: Bruchsal, Deutschland Age: 22 Posts: 3,654 Rep Power: 86	Well, 64bit licensed Win XP Professional is free for me anyways __________________ Click me not!

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Dr_Q Joined: Oct 9th, 2007 Last Online: 6:48 PM Location: United Kingdom of Englandlandshire Posts: 518 Car: Horse & Cart Rep Power: 19	If it's free then go for it. Laptop RAM is pretty expensive even with the general cheapness with memory at the moment. Without upgrading things I don't think the performance difference will be noticeable though (unless you like benchmarking perhaps). __________________ Flickr

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prizrak Joined: Apr 2nd, 2007 Last Online: 5:38 PM Location: Brooklyn, NY Age: 26 Posts: 2,937 Car: Audi A4 1.8T Rep Power: 38	XP 64 is an absolutely terrible OS with very little support from ISV's and OEM's. I would suggest trying a dual boot first to make sure everything works properly.

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FATMOUSE Joined: Jun 30th, 2005 Last Online: 9:43 AM Location: Palo Alto, California Age: 21 Posts: 3,632 Rep Power: 74	Bad driver support for winx64 apparently. On my laptop and desktop (core2duo, amdk8) I use 64bit linux, which does have all the drivers so it works well. But not really making a difference unless you want a huge address space or need fast 64bit floating point precision for scientific stuff. __________________ woohoo someone changed my sig

September 6th, 2008, 6:23 PM	#9
Alok The TomTom did it. Joined: Apr 1st, 2005 Last Online: 6:46 PM Location: Bruchsal, Deutschland Age: 22 Posts: 3,654 Rep Power: 86	Hmm, no my only needs are this out of memory issues, despite 3 gigs of ram __________________ Click me not!

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WillDAQ Joined: Oct 23rd, 2007 Last Online: 7:19 PM Posts: 1,014 Car: Smart Roadster Coupe Rep Power: 41	Put simply XP x64 is a backwater of Windows development. You'll get drivers for most common hardware (except Webcams?!) but if you've got anything even remotely interesting check first. Performance wise it really makes sod all difference. (ex x64 user who went back to 32!)

September 9th, 2008, 7:17 PM	#11
Alok The TomTom did it. Joined: Apr 1st, 2005 Last Online: 6:46 PM Location: Bruchsal, Deutschland Age: 22 Posts: 3,654 Rep Power: 86	Thanks for the input guys, I think I will stay with 32bit XP then __________________ Click me not!

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Zorlac Joined: Nov 25th, 2005 Last Online: September 3rd, 2009 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 60 Car: 2000 Bonneville SSEi. I hate it. Rep Power: 18	Generally speaking if you dont know why you need 64bit, you dont need it. The only exception is if you wanna use 4gb or more (and arent comfortable with the 3.5gb limit on 32bit). Vista64 I've heard is actually very good. XP64 was more of a test, not really ready or even meant for prime time. Stick with XP or Vista32 for now. When you need 64bit (and have apps that take advantage with 64bit) upgrade to Vista64.

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Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 9:21 AM Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 25 Posts: 22,182 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 292	I run Vista64. No problems here. __________________ There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

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Shawn Lexus? Oh shi- Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: July 30th, 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Age: 24 Posts: 11,026 Car: '07 Boring Poseur Mobile Rep Power: 134	^ Same with me, been running it for a few weeks without any problems. Mind I have a very recent machine, but I still found all the drivers I needed, even for my WiFi antenna that has been with me through multiple computers. But as others say, don't expect a huge increase in performance. Even using Lightroom 2 which is optimized for 64-bit, the performance increase is negligible... so keeping in mind most apps aren't even 64-bit yet, you're going to notice zero performance boost with most things. Oh, and yeah, don't get XP 64-bit (Vista is a different matter). I tried that one and failed to find drivers for most of my hardware. Sure, Microsoft kindly provide their own awesome generic drivers for video cards, CPUs and the like, but that's not really much help.

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FATMOUSE Joined: Jun 30th, 2005 Last Online: 9:43 AM Location: Palo Alto, California Age: 21 Posts: 3,632 Rep Power: 74	Sometimes I really wonder about Windows and all the 64 bit problems. From my computer: arjun@foxhound:~$ uname -m x86_64 Everything works, everything has drivers. Do manufacturers really not want to support x64 vista for some reason? __________________ woohoo someone changed my sig

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Polygon Joined: Oct 7th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Utah, United States Age: 28 Posts: 313 Car: 1989 LeBaron GTC TII & 1991 Stealth R/T TT Rep Power: 13	You're not going to see a speed increase unless you are running any 64 bit apps or if you're just wanting a crap load of memory. I would be concerned about certain drivers in Vista 64 and especially XP 64. I've heard that my X-Fi will have issues in Vista 64 which I don't know if that holds any water. I know my printer won't work, but that's what printer servers are for. I would say if you're not using 64 bit apps or need a ton of memory stick with 32 bit. __________________ Clint: 1989 Chrysler Le Baron GTC Turbo II - 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T TT - 2008 Ford Escape My CarDomain Garage

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