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| Joined: Feb 12th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Posts: 1,140
Rep Power: 24 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Sauce: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...Mx_SwmtKvi7C-w Quote:
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| that 1337 ![]()
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| Thats great, its about time we put Microsoft in its place. Now if you will excuse me, I have 'Atlas Shrugged' to finish reading because it seems relevant for some reason.
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| What is this communism? I hate how microsoft gets picked on just for being successful. | |
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| I wouldn't mind so much if I knew where this money went? Having said that one of my collage buildings was built with EU money.
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| 1.7 billion? Pocket change! They make that much in a day probibly.GO MICRO$OFT! AMERICAN DOMINATION MARCHES ON!! ![]()
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| Joined: Jul 22nd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Milano, Italia Posts: 2,731
Car: 2 cars + 3 bikes Rep Power: 68 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | What I don't get is why they get penalized for being successful, yes they might have a "un-fair" advantage on their competitors. But why the hell should they help their competitors become more competitive, its absurd!
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| Hormone Induced Joined: Jun 21st, 2005 Last Online: 02:10 AM Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,911
Car: Pimpmobile Rep Power: 73 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Microsoft spent decades getting an "unfair advantage" through shrewd business practices - and I respect that hugely. The "competition regulators" can go suck eggs. |
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| Joined: Mar 21st, 2006 Last Online: 12:18 AM Location: Southampton Posts: 6,217
Car: Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 TDI Slush box. Rep Power: 58 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Because it puts prices up for the consumer and restricts choice and hence is anti competitive. US anti trust would do the same to any company - in-fact I believe that the did take Microsoft to task. |
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| Joined: Jul 22nd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Milano, Italia Posts: 2,731
Car: 2 cars + 3 bikes Rep Power: 68 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | But we are living in a free market economy where supply and demand controls the prices. If Microsoft or any other company for that matter can sell their products at equilibrium price, even if that is $1.000 for a cd of Windows no one should be able to stop them. As long as there have been computers I believe that there has been an alternative to windows/office, if not, it is not MS's fault. Certainly in 2008 there are several alternatives, and no one is forced to buy MS products.
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| Joined: Mar 21st, 2006 Last Online: 12:18 AM Location: Southampton Posts: 6,217
Car: Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 TDI Slush box. Rep Power: 58 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | No, if any company has a 'dominant position' it can control the market. This was not for the OS but add ons. I believe that the API they were publishing was not the same as the one that they were using for the in-house products and they were charging ludicrous amounts for the licences to use it by vendor companies, which EU Regulators deemed Microsoft to have done in contravention of the law - now why they got such a big fine was for ignoring a previous finding and continuing their anti-competitive practices. However, I personally actually doubt anything the EU ever does is completely honest so who is in the right I am not sure. http://www.latimes.com/technology/la...ck=1&cset=true |
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| I really hate the EU. in my opinion the fine is illegal. | |
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| n00b of the year Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 01:41 AM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 4,903
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| D: | I don't agree with the fine but I'm not from the EU so it's not my problem ![]() The article cites that microsoft unfairly uses it's size to push it's media player, what the hell is iTunes doing then? Every man and his dog seems to have it.
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| Thats what they get for attempting to sell Vista at any price over $100.
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| EU has been bribed by apple.
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| Joined: Feb 12th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Posts: 1,140
Rep Power: 24 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | So you think it's OK if Microsoft wants billions from competitors to sell them the official documentation of the .doc format? Because this is what the fine's about. The money then goes to the EU tax fund. The budget stays the same, but the countries have to pay less tax. In a way, Microsoft is paying your tax, so shuddup. BTW, I've never seen consumers whine because their interests are being pushed forward. ![]()
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As for why Apple doesn't get flack for bundling iTunes with OS X, that's because they have something like a 6% market share, nowhere near a monopoly. Requiring iTunes to sync your iPod is fine, legally, because the iPod needs a program to build the index on the player; you don't need WMP to use Windows. That, and Apple's share of the music player market is around 70% (less if you include cell phones, now that some do double duty as PMPs), compared to Microsoft's ~90% share of the desktop OS market. Even then, it's not like Apple hasn't earned the ire of at least one EU country.
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| Joined: Jun 24th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Norway Posts: 7
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Now as I'm sure you can agree a completely free market isn't the best arena for innovation or invention in general, so to rectify that we let the government put a few mechanisms in place to grant a company or a person exclusive rights to their inventions over a limited time period. Copyright and patents. This makes it possible for them to spend a few bucks on developing a technology since they will have exclusive rights to selling it if it works out. It basically stimulates the market and speeds progress. Now because you have this free market hybrid instead of a truly free market you end up with a system where a player who has a dominant position in one market (say desktop OSes) is able to use that as a lever to break in to other related markets (like server OSes, media players, web-browsers etc.). By either bundling their products together for free, or by making sure that their products in the first market only communicate with their own products in the other markets, and then protecting this communication method using copyright and patents, this player effectively has the market by the balls. This is where anti-trust legislation enters the picture. Since we want to keep copyright and patents in effect (as they mostly work to the benefit of the market), but don't want companies to exploit these rights to destroy competition, we let the government put some more laws in place that changes the game's rules for players in a dominant market position. These (among other things) say that if you are in such a dominant position in one market, you can't use that position to gain an unfair advantage in other markets. THAT is what the EU case is about. Microsoft has for years and years been using their dominant position in desktop OSes to destroy competition in other markets (most notably server OSes where Microsoft was a small player up until a few years ago). This isn't about destroying the free market at all, it's exactly the opposite. It's about keeping the market as free as it can be given the tweaks we've done to the proper free market system through copyright |