Hacker cracks HD-DVD and Blu-Ray anti-piracy system?

hype · December 30th, 2006, 02:05 AM

Just when Hollywood thought it was safe from piracy, hacker Muslix64 comes along and cracks the HD-DVD Advanced Access Content System (AACS). AACS was developed by several companies to prevent high-definition discs from being copied by restricting the devices that can play them. AACS is also used by Sony's Blu-ray.

http://ps3.qj.net/Hacker-cracks-HD-D...g/49/aid/77634

when will they learn? they spend millions developing this stuff to stop piracy, when its just gonna get cracked by hackers.

epp_b · December 30th, 2006, 03:08 AM

Repeat after me:

DRM is not for anti-piracy
DRM is not for anti-piracy
DRM is not for anti-piracy
DRM is not for anti-piracy
DRM is not for anti-piracy
rinse, wash, repeat

DRM is for anti-consumerism: to send consumers back to the record stores, credit card in hand to be ripped off at $20 a CD or DVD; so that the **AA's can stuff new technologies like P2P back in the toothpaste tube.

OK, so now that the **AA brainwash has hopefully left your system, I can get back to the topic at hand...

I'm not sure this is verifiable but very interesting, nonetheless. I guess we'll have to wait for some in-depth technical reports.

FATMOUSE · December 30th, 2006, 03:30 AM

haha, roffled.

BerserkerCatSplat · December 30th, 2006, 05:54 AM

I'll give credit to any hacker whose handle is based on a breakfast cereal.

cvrefugee · December 30th, 2006, 08:41 AM

I don't mind paying for my movies. Today I bought the HD-DVD drive for my 360 and King Kong looks gorgeous on my HDTV!

chaos386 · December 30th, 2006, 02:44 PM

I wouldn't be so quick to jump for joy. This isn't going to be like CSS, where once the crack was found, all past, present and future DVDs were cracked. AACS has revocable keys, so while he'll be able to crack all of today's HD-DVDs and earlier, future discs won't play on his HD-DVD drive.

This is just the opening act to the Crackers vs Content Protection play. I think we all know the inevitable outcome, so the only question is: how long's the show? images/smilies/wink.gif

Buba · December 30th, 2006, 03:22 PM

^ Right, but if you can do it once, you can most possibly do it twice...

RoamingGnome · December 30th, 2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaos386

AACS has revocable keys, so while he'll be able to crack all of today's HD-DVDs and earlier, future discs won't play on his HD-DVD drive.

While true, to my limited knowledge there isn't a technology to revoke a key of a particular device but rather device type/model that uses it. That being said are you telling me that because someone cracked the AACS using say XBox drive they will decide to render all XBox HDDVD drives inoperable for new titles? Not gonna happen. Same goes for software based players albeit that'd be probably easily swallowed.

Piracy or not, a success of any commercial venture depends on its wide-spread adoption. If people can't use/watch/afford it, they won't buy it. There are plenty of examples where things looked good on paper yet flopped cause the consumer said "No thank you, move along".

-Cpt. J.- · January 3rd, 2007, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoamingGnome

While true, to my limited knowledge there isn't a technology to revoke a key of a particular device but rather device type/model that uses it. That being said are you telling me that because someone cracked the AACS using say XBox drive they will decide to render all XBox HDDVD drives inoperable for new titles? Not gonna happen. Same goes for software based players albeit that'd be probably easily swallowed.

Piracy or not, a success of any commercial venture depends on its wide-spread adoption. If people can't use/watch/afford it, they won't buy it. There are plenty of examples where things looked good on paper yet flopped cause the consumer said "No thank you, move along".

Companies need no excuses to fuck consumers in the ass.
Yes I think they are stupid enough to ruin consumers lives. I have seen it before... sony and its stupid rootkit, they simply called it "second generation copy protection". Normal customers were screwed so easily...

Adunaphel · January 3rd, 2007, 11:28 AM

And as you well know, Sony has had to pay a lot of damages as a result of that rootkit, because there's something as "basic consumer rights". I do believe that European customers are better protected than their American counterparts, but still, all civilised countries have some form of consumer protection.

der_jackal · January 3rd, 2007, 08:26 PM

I really wouldn't jump for joy yet, it's a bug in Cyberlink PowerDVD which exposed the AACS key for a short period of time and as such only allowed those movies which the guy has to be "unlocked".

That and it's a public encryption method so it's not like the guy did anything really magical.

Cyberlink will patch it and the studios can revoke the keys for those movies if they choose to do so.

EDIT: in rereading a lot of his (muslix64s) posts a few things I said here are wrong;

He never stated it was PowerDVD that used to read the key from, but knowing the AACS he did poke around in memory to find where the title key was (which may or may not have been exposed in that segment of memory).

The studios can't revoke those keys as they are actually the title keys and AACS doesn't use those as revokation keys.

cdbob · January 6th, 2007, 11:21 AM

I think the best solution is a cruise missile right in the headquarters of sony.

epp_b · January 6th, 2007, 04:31 PM

Quote:

I think the best solution is a cruise missile right in the headquarters of sony.

Haha, sign me up! What's the PayPal account that I can donate to? images/smilies/biggrin.gif

LeMans GTR · January 17th, 2007, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdbob

I think the best solution is a cruise missile right in the headquarters of sony.

could you blow up panasonic while your at it. Theyre getting on my nerves

(goes to beat panasonic tv with hammer )

Viper007Bond · January 17th, 2007, 07:51 AM

Heh, I've had access to HD DVD rips for a few days now. I haven't downloaded any (I don't download movies and I don't have a HD DVD player), but it's still nice to be able to. images/smilies/lol.gif

Buba · January 17th, 2007, 04:49 PM

Yeah, I know which place you talk about. I can't believe screenshots of the site have been everywhere all around the world in newspapers and online. I haven't check it out either, although a 22 GB version of Miami Vice would almost be tempting images/smilies/wink.gif

Well, most of all, I don't wanna use PowerDVD6.5 images/smilies/wink.gif

sandor_ · January 17th, 2007, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Heh, I've had access to HD DVD rips for a few days now. I haven't downloaded any (I don't download movies and I don't have a HD DVD player), but it's still nice to be able to. images/smilies/lol.gif

I don';t think anyone has figured out how exactly to burn the .EVO file (i believe similar to a .VOB) back to blue laser media to have a workable disk... but any decent MPEG-2 capable player *should* be able to play the files (VLC, MPlayer etc)

Buba · January 17th, 2007, 05:53 PM

mpeg 2 was only the codec of choice for the very first HD-DVDs, they mostly use VC-1 now.

sandor_ · January 18th, 2007, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buba

mpeg 2 was only the codec of choice for the very first HD-DVDs, they mostly use VC-1 now.

thats right, it is the blu-ray disks that are still mostly MPEG-2... Sony screwing up with their close-minded encoding/replication processes... they even went as far as to disallow adult movies to be replicated on Blu-ray...

hype · January 20th, 2007, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandor_

thats right, it is the blu-ray disks that are still mostly MPEG-2... Sony screwing up with their close-minded encoding/replication processes... they even went as far as to disallow adult movies to be replicated on Blu-ray...

????

Speaking to Arstechnica, Marty Gordon, vice-chair of the Sony's Blu-ray Disc Association Promotions Committee stated:

There is not a prohibition against adult content. The BDA welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format, particularly those from the content industry.

http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-to-block-Blu-...g/49/aid/79699

December 30th, 2006, 02:05 AM	#1
hype Joined: Jul 6th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: England Age: 19 Posts: 443 Car: A BMX bike Rep Power: 0	Hacker cracks HD-DVD and Blu-Ray anti-piracy system? Just when Hollywood thought it was safe from piracy, hacker Muslix64 comes along and cracks the HD-DVD Advanced Access Content System (AACS). AACS was developed by several companies to prevent high-definition discs from being copied by restricting the devices that can play them. AACS is also used by Sony's Blu-ray. http://ps3.qj.net/Hacker-cracks-HD-D...g/49/aid/77634 when will they learn? they spend millions developing this stuff to stop piracy, when its just gonna get cracked by hackers. __________________

December 30th, 2006, 05:54 AM	#4
BerserkerCatSplat Hormone Induced Joined: Jun 21st, 2005 Last Online: 12:00 AM Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,911 Car: Pimpmobile Rep Power: 73	I'll give credit to any hacker whose handle is based on a breakfast cereal. __________________ OSPhoto

December 30th, 2006, 02:44 PM	#6
chaos386 .sa = bad driver! Joined: Nov 8th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Al-Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 22 Posts: 3,564 LFS Status: Rep Power: 62	I wouldn't be so quick to jump for joy. This isn't going to be like CSS, where once the crack was found, all past, present and future DVDs were cracked. AACS has revocable keys, so while he'll be able to crack all of today's HD-DVDs and earlier, future discs won't play on his HD-DVD drive. This is just the opening act to the Crackers vs Content Protection play. I think we all know the inevitable outcome, so the only question is: how long's the show? __________________ "Shit, that's a busy table cloth." -matt2000

December 30th, 2006, 03:22 PM	#7
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 6,028 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 40	^ Right, but if you can do it once, you can most possibly do it twice... __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

January 3rd, 2007, 11:28 AM	#10
Adunaphel Global Moderator Joined: Jan 18th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: [ˈne:dərlɑnt] Age: 29 Posts: 3,597 Car: 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E (W201) Rep Power: 67	And as you well know, Sony has had to pay a lot of damages as a result of that rootkit, because there's something as "basic consumer rights". I do believe that European customers are better protected than their American counterparts, but still, all civilised countries have some form of consumer protection. __________________ 01001001 00100000 01000001 01001101 00100000 01010100 01001000 01000101 00100000 01010011 01010100 01001001 01000111

December 30th, 2006, 03:08 AM	#2
epp_b n00b of the year Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 12:06 AM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 4,900 Car: 1995 Nissan 240SX Rep Power: 45	Repeat after me: DRM is not for anti-piracy DRM is not for anti-piracy DRM is not for anti-piracy DRM is not for anti-piracy DRM is not for anti-piracy rinse, wash, repeat DRM is for anti-consumerism: to send consumers back to the record stores, credit card in hand to be ripped off at $20 a CD or DVD; so that the AA's can stuff new technologies like P2P back in the toothpaste tube. OK, so now that the AA brainwash has hopefully left your system, I can get back to the topic at hand... I'm not sure this is verifiable but very interesting, nonetheless. I guess we'll have to wait for some in-depth technical reports.

December 30th, 2006, 03:30 AM	#3
FATMOUSE Joined: Jun 30th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: NYC Posts: 3,088 Rep Power: 35	haha, roffled.

December 30th, 2006, 08:41 AM	#5
cvrefugee Joined: Aug 16th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Corona, CA Age: 28 Posts: 3,449 Car: 2005 Scion xB Rep Power: 60	I don't mind paying for my movies. Today I bought the HD-DVD drive for my 360 and King Kong looks gorgeous on my HDTV!

January 3rd, 2007, 08:26 PM	#11
der_jackal Joined: Jun 13th, 2006 Last Online: January 6th, 2009 Location: Redmond, Wa. Yes, I do and no I won't. Age: 39 Posts: 238 Car: '05.5 S4 + '06 Discovery 3 Rep Power: 19	I really wouldn't jump for joy yet, it's a bug in Cyberlink PowerDVD which exposed the AACS key for a short period of time and as such only allowed those movies which the guy has to be "unlocked". That and it's a public encryption method so it's not like the guy did anything really magical. Cyberlink will patch it and the studios can revoke the keys for those movies if they choose to do so. EDIT: in rereading a lot of his (muslix64s) posts a few things I said here are wrong; He never stated it was PowerDVD that used to read the key from, but knowing the AACS he did poke around in memory to find where the title key was (which may or may not have been exposed in that segment of memory). The studios can't revoke those keys as they are actually the title keys and AACS doesn't use those as revokation keys. __________________ Last edited by der_jackal; January 3rd, 2007 at 10:53 PM.. Reason: corrections.

January 6th, 2007, 11:21 AM	#12
cdbob Joined: Dec 1st, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 18 Posts: 1,522 Car: 1987 Volvo 245 DL (in bc) Rep Power: 16	I think the best solution is a cruise missile right in the headquarters of sony. __________________ Thanks to everyone who has made sigs for me

January 17th, 2007, 07:51 AM	#15
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,086 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 237	Heh, I've had access to HD DVD rips for a few days now. I haven't downloaded any (I don't download movies and I don't have a HD DVD player), but it's still nice to be able to. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

January 17th, 2007, 04:49 PM	#16
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 6,028 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 40	Yeah, I know which place you talk about. I can't believe screenshots of the site have been everywhere all around the world in newspapers and online. I haven't check it out either, although a 22 GB version of Miami Vice would almost be tempting Well, most of all, I don't wanna use PowerDVD6.5 __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

January 17th, 2007, 05:53 PM	#18
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 6,028 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 40	mpeg 2 was only the codec of choice for the very first HD-DVDs, they mostly use VC-1 now. __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

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