Opera 9.5

[chaos386]

Originally Posted by MadCow809

Oh yeah, and the ability of flipping through tabs of opened windows, both firefox and the new internet explorer cant do that, Opera works with "1"(previous tab) and "2"(next tab), I prefer the overall manage system.

Dude, Firefox has had ctrl+tab and ctrl+shift+tab since the beginning, and I'm guessing IE7/8 have it too.

[Clegg]

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Surprise surprise.

I was talking about in Opera 9.5, not Safari.

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by The_Finn

nice took them long enough. heh maybe i will make the switch back.

That feature has been there for as long as I have been using Firefox and that is many, many years.

Originally Posted by Clegg

I was talking about in Opera 9.5, not Safari.

Oh I know.

[Solberg]

Have a look at this:

http://lifehacker.com/396048/speed-t...t-web-browsers

[Z102]

So far I'm loving my new Opera. It seems to start faster than before, and Javascript seems to be noticeably faster. Netvibes doesn't lag when I keep Opera open all day. There are still some issues, but so far it's still my browser of choice. Only complaint so far is that they've changed again "paste&go" hotkey. Geez, by now one would think they would have figured out which is the best combination...

So far FF's betas looked promising, but I'm going to switch over when 3 final comes out. Not that I don't trust Mozilla, but...

[fluke667]

Originally Posted by Z102

Only complaint so far is that they've changed again "paste&go" hotkey.

You can change the shortcuts back to 9.2 style in advanced preferences.

[Eye-Q]

Funny that in a thread about a new Opera-version half of the posts are from Firefox-users trying to convince Opera-users that Firefox is better than any other browser...

I use Opera since version 5.12 (yes, I even paid for it as it wasn't freeware) and I'm very satisfied with the development. Version 9.5 is really really fast but the new features like full text search not just in the addresses of the recently opened sites but in the whole sites are not that useful IMO. Most users have a few websites they frequently surf (15-20 maybe) and that's manageable so most of the time you don't need that feature.
One useful feature is the possibility to open an active web page in a different browser (yes, I know it has been nicked from Mozilla but Mozilla nicked enough features from Opera, too, not necessarily in the main programme but as extensions like "oh, Opera has that feature, that's nice, let's programme an extension for Firefox so it has the feature, too") so you don't have to copy the address from the address field to paste them in Firefox or the Internet Explorer.

Unfortunately some features are downgraded, for example the possibility of doubleklicking a text-link (to a URL) and the complete link left to the doubleklicking-position until the next space had been marked. In 9.5 only the text to the left until the next punctuation mark (dot, slash, hyphen) is marked so you can't mark a URL with a doubleklick and choose "go to this URL" anymore.
The next feature which has been changed is the behaviour of the rightclick of finished downloads in the download window: in previous versions the Windows-dialogue came up so you could unzip a compressed file straight from that window. Now you can only open it with the programmes you get when you click on the file with the right mousebutton in the explorer - I want to decompress it straight away and don't want to open WinRAR or the Windows Explorer prior to that...

What I don't like about Firefox is that Out-of-the-Box it's a "naked" browser where you just have to search for extensions you want, try some, discard 80% of them because they don't offer the function you want, and when you found the descent ones they probably don't work after the next update so you have to search for another extension for the same function.
Opera may be a bit less flexible but it's packed with functions Out-of-the-Box (which obviously you don't necessarily have to use) so you don't have to worry about that extension-situation after an update.

P.S.: countdowns on the FG page work like a charm and as long as web pags stick to the webstandards there is no problem. There are actually very little web pages I have problems with.

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

Funny that in a thread about a new Opera-version half of the posts are from Firefox-users trying to convince Opera-users that Firefox is better than any other browser...

Why is that funny?

And while we're on the subject -- why do you guys use Opera? I've yet to hear any good reason or feature that Firefox doesn't have besides "it's fast" and who cares about tenths of a second differences?

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

What I don't like about Firefox is that Out-of-the-Box it's a "naked" browser

Yeah, it could use a few more features, but I'd much rather be able to add just the features I want rather than have all the bloat like mouse gestures.

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

P.S.: countdowns on the FG page work like a charm and as long as web pags stick to the webstandards there is no problem. There are actually very little web pages I have problems with.

Which is "very little" more than Firefox.

Oh, and: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...nalgear.com%2F

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Browser arguments are almost as annoying as OS arguments.

[MadCow809]

Originally Posted by chaos386

Dude, Firefox has had ctrl+tab and ctrl+shift+tab since the beginning, and I'm guessing IE7/8 have it too.

so does Opera, but that will only allow you to switch back and forth, not going through all the opened webpages.

pressing 1 and 2 is much, much faster than ctrl+tab until you get the right one.

[Eye-Q]

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

And while we're on the subject -- why do you guys use Opera? I've yet to hear any good reason or feature that Firefox doesn't have besides "it's fast" and who cares about tenths of a second differences?

Some points:

• You don't have to worry about if an extension still works after an update
• Opera introduced the mouse gestures which have been adopted by extension programmers for Firefox
• Opera was one of the first browsers which made tabbed browsing popular (graphic "tabs" were introduced in version 4 in 2000, Mozilla and Firefox itself were introduced almost 2 years later)
• Opera can scale almost every part of the website so it still looks appropriate when you scale it (even Flash-objects, Windows Media-objects etc.)
• You can have a "linked window" (for example in the left half of the screen you have the google results-page, click on a link and it loads automatically in the right half so you don't have to go back to the results-page when the upcoming page is crap)
• You can duplicate a page including the history of that page into the background
• Trash bin for getting back closed pages including the history
• Opera doesn't reload pages when you go back via back-button or mouse gesture so it's really instantly back, the page doesn't get rendered new
• ................

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Yeah, it could use a few more features, but I'd much rather be able to add just the features I want rather than have all the bloat like mouse gestures.

That's a matter of taste - some don't want to search hundreds of pages to get an appropriate extension for satisfying their needs, and as I wrote if you don't want the mouse gestures you can deactivate them (just like the mail-client, feed-reader, widgets which aren't activated in the first place anyway so you don't have to deactivate them; if you unintentionally made a mouse gesture for the first time after you installed Opera it asks if you want them to be activated - if you don't want them, say "No" and you will never be bothered again)

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Which is "very little" more than Firefox.

Come on, you know that even Firefox doesn't render every website exactly in the same way as the Internet Explorer does (which actually shouldn't be the "standard" anyway but that's a different story). Even if you think you have no problems there are problems which you can find out when you use the Internet Explorer or Opera.

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Oh, and: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...nalgear.com%2F

What do you want to prove by that? Yes, your website is HTML valid, what do you want to say with that link?

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

You don't have to worry about if an extension still works after an update

Yeah, that is a pain.

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

Opera introduced the mouse gestures which have been adopted by extension programmers for Firefox

That's just bloat IMO. The majority of people don't use gestures IMO.

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

Opera was one of the first browsers which made tabbed browsing popular (graphic "tabs" were introduced in version 4 in 2000, Mozilla and Firefox itself were introduced almost 2 years later)

But what's that have to do with now?

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

Opera can scale almost every part of the website so it still looks appropriate when you scale it (even Flash-objects, Windows Media-objects etc.)

As can Firefox 3.

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

You can have a "linked window" (for example in the left half of the screen you have the google results-page, click on a link and it loads automatically in the right half so you don't have to go back to the results-page when the upcoming page is crap)

Dunno if Firefox can do that, but no matter, I prefer fullscreen browsing.

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

You can duplicate a page including the history of that page into the background

I'm confused.

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

Trash bin for getting back closed pages including the history

Firefox has had this for ages.

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

Opera doesn't reload pages when you go back via back-button or mouse gesture so it's really instantly back, the page doesn't get rendered new

That just means it's whoring more RAM, although Firefox does the same thing for quite a few back's.

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

Come on, you know that even Firefox doesn't render every website exactly in the same way as the Internet Explorer does (which actually shouldn't be the "standard" anyway but that's a different story).

Exactly! Firefox renders it correctly.

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

What do you want to prove by that? Yes, your website is HTML valid, what do you want to say with that link?

I misread your post. I thought the countdown was broken for you as well and you were blaming it on bad standards.

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by Eye-Q

What do you want to prove by that? Yes, your website is HTML valid, what do you want to say with that link?

It means Opera can't render correctly-formatted HTML? Anybody remember the new digg comment system that "crashed" Opera? Yeah, it was a problem with Opera, not digg.

[Eye-Q]

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

That's just bloat IMO. The majority of people don't use gestures IMO.

I do, and with Opera I don't have to search for an extension to make it work, it just works.

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

But what's that have to do with now?

What does [automotive, technical, whatever you put in here] history has to do with now? Correct, history is why 911's still sell very well although the modifications between the series are relatively little, but they still make progress, that's why every new 911 is "the best 911 ever", that continues with every series.

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

As can Firefox 3.

Yes, you wrote it - Firefox 3, which will be released as final version next week; Opera has had this function for ages.

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Dunno if Firefox can do that, but no matter, I prefer fullscreen browsing.

It's just a feature I like - you don't have to use it but it's handy when you know how to use it.

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

I'm confused.

Why? Sometimes you may want that (and I do use that function occasionally), again you don't have to use it but it's there.
One example: you want to write a post in a forum which doesn't provide "Multi-quotes" but want to quote multiple posts. You quote one post (but don't send off your post), duplicate the page into the background, in that duplicated page you can go back, quote another post and copy the whole text with the BB-code into the answering field of the first page - voilá, you have a multi-quote without hassling with any BB-code.

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

That just means it's whoring more RAM, although Firefox does the same thing for quite a few back's.

Well, ATM Opera is running for 4 hours or so straight, you can imagine there were quite a few pages opened, closed and brought back again, and Opera uses 82 MB of my 2 GB memory - that's 4% of my entire RAM, and be honest, at these memory-prizes nobody has to care about how much a browser uses.