Quicktime 7 and the H.264 codec

evoWALO · May 3rd, 2005, 12:22 PM

With the arrival of Quicktime 7 and the H.264 codec HDTV content is now light enough to be transmitted over the Internet.

Will FinalGear use it for future encodes of TG or FG when the encoder becomes available on Windows?

So far the trailers will only play on a Mac with Quicktime 7
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/hdgallery/

Batman Begins stats

* Duration: 2:24
* File size: 115 MB
* Resolution: 1280x544
* Video codec: H.264
* Audio codec: AAC

XVid is still good though but I think there is always room for improvement.

bihus · May 3rd, 2005, 03:02 PM

115MB for 2:24? images/smilies/shock.gif

I think it won't be necessary to start using that.

monkeymax · May 3rd, 2005, 03:17 PM

After reading this, persuaded my housemate to download the Serenity HD trailer. Same sorta size, but looks really really sweet.
However, his computer jumped and skipped a lot - this is a one and a half week old, top of the range PowerBook which is unfortunately a G4. It definately needs a G5 to run.

Looks really really nice, but don't think the computing capabilities for playback are quite there yet - capable computers need to become more widespread - this is made worse by the fact that this is still a Mac only codec... (but it's really making me tempted to go out and buy the PowerBook I dream of, maybe when the PB G5 comes out... 8) )

[Edit] Ah yes; also as Bihus says, 120 odd megs for a couple of minutes is alot of download requirements with the current broadband speeds widely available... maybe when broadband gets universal faster will this become more popular... [/Edit]

ESPNSTI · May 3rd, 2005, 05:17 PM

H.264 has a fantastic quality and has better compression than xvid / divx.
It is the future of digital video, and it will be used for the next generation DVD (HD-DVD).
The reason why it is so big is probably because:
- It's high resolution (1280x544)
- It is probably encoded at a very high bitrate.

BTW, I have played H.264 files of similar size on my P4 1.8 before and it didn't stutter at all.
It is might be that the codec still needs optimization, but yes, H.264 will need a decent computer.

bihus · May 3rd, 2005, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESPNSTI

H.264 has a fantastic quality and has better compression than xvid / divx.
It is the future of digital video, and it will be used for the next generation DVD (HD-DVD).
The reason why it is so big is probably because:
- It's high resolution (1280x544)
- It is probably encoded at a very high bitrate.

BTW, I have played H.264 files of similar size on my P4 1.8 before and it didn't stutter at all.
It is might be that the codec still needs optimization, but yes, H.264 will need a decent computer.

I noticed the high resolution too, but that's the whole point in HD, right? I just think it is to big to compensate the gains. But for some purposes, of course I wouldn't mind having that kind of quality. images/smilies/smile.gif

ESPNSTI · May 3rd, 2005, 05:29 PM

IMHO, it's a good choice to use H.264 regardless (once the codecs are mature):

At the same resolution, bitrate and quality, an H.264 file will have a smaller file size than xvid / divx, etc...
At the same resolution and file size, an H.264 file will have a higher bitrate and better quality than xvid / divx, etc...

evoWALO · May 3rd, 2005, 05:58 PM

monkey: even on a dual 1GHz PowerMac it would still run below the normal framerates unless I shut down everything and just play the trailer.

I was hoping that VUK's encodes could be jacked up to Standard Def or better. Maybe a higher bitrate could be offered?

Imagine watching Top Gear & Fifth Gear on your TV at a better bitrate. images/smilies/wink.gif

Hopefully Apple will release QT7 for Windows soon.

sandor_ · May 3rd, 2005, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bihus

115MB for 2:24? images/smilies/shock.gif

I think it won't be necessary to start using that.

remember, it is a higher res video file than "normal" DVD, but about the same bit rate (6-8 mbps)

sure, these arent the setting to use for streaming video, but both Blu-Ray and HD DVD clans have committed to using H.263 to replace MPEG2 on next-gen optical.

chaos386 · May 3rd, 2005, 07:27 PM

^Yeah, at that bitrate you could fit three hours of video onto a 9GB DVD. That's pretty good for 1280x544!

sandor_ · May 4th, 2005, 01:33 AM

i would love to see full res Fifth Gear and Top Gear!!

Cruzz563 · May 4th, 2005, 02:15 AM

Aint gonna happen...for now images/smilies/shifty.gif

Viper007Bond · May 4th, 2005, 03:01 AM

It's QuickTime, so no thanks. images/smilies/yucky.gif

But anyway, 720p / 1080i are insane quality. Here's some more examples using WMVHD: http://www.wmvhd.com/

I have 3 1080i .TS movie rips and true, they're 10-12 GB, but still, the quality is insane.

Here's a screenshot of Gladiator for example:

http://img205.echo.cx/img205/1388/gladiator1080ihdtvsampleimage4.th.jpg

bahnstormer · May 4th, 2005, 03:04 AM

h264 has been around for a while
quicktime player just supports it now
or maybe mac just copied it or w/e

h264 is not quicktime only

Viper007Bond · May 4th, 2005, 03:06 AM

Oh, well then find me something that can play whatever's in the original link 'cause I refuse to install QuickTime on my computer and QT Alt. won't play it.

Viper007Bond · May 4th, 2005, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandor_

i would love to see full res Fifth Gear and Top Gear!!

They aren't that much better quality (they aren't broadcast in HDTV). Here's some screenshots Overheat made of his H&L rips:

100% (approx 700mb)

http://img59.echo.cx/img59/5059/fgrip1007td.jpg

175MB (approx 25%)

http://img59.echo.cx/img59/2540/fgrip175mb3ue.jpg

Plus, we had a poll on which people would like to see, 175/350 or 350/700 and it was decided that the current filesizes are a good compromise between quality and filesize. I mean hell, look at how much Vuk can do with 175 MB (from the Viper/Corvette episode of Fifth Gear):

http://4.forumer.com/uploads/cartalk/post-11-1114817152.jpg

evoWALO · May 4th, 2005, 03:44 AM

FG & TG arent being broadcasted in HD or is VUK's feed not in HD?

Cruzz563 · May 4th, 2005, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evoWALO

FG & TG arent being broadcasted in HD or is VUK's feed not in HD?

Nope just digital, there's no HD in the UK yet, afaik it's America only.

Viper007Bond · May 4th, 2005, 04:47 AM

Yeah, Vuk grabs the digital broadcasted signal, but it's just a digital version of normal TV. It's not high res.

evoWALO · May 4th, 2005, 04:51 AM

Oh... Hmmm no HD in the UK? I was under the impression it was seeming the BBC was retooling their gear towards a fully HD broadcast.

Cruzz563 · May 4th, 2005, 09:20 AM

They may very well be in the process of upgrading, but atm there's no HD. images/smilies/smile.gif

May 3rd, 2005, 12:22 PM	#1
evoWALO Joined: Nov 11th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Philippines / Naples, Florida Age: 28 Posts: 592 Rep Power: 17	Quicktime 7 and the H.264 codec With the arrival of Quicktime 7 and the H.264 codec HDTV content is now light enough to be transmitted over the Internet. Will FinalGear use it for future encodes of TG or FG when the encoder becomes available on Windows? So far the trailers will only play on a Mac with Quicktime 7 http://www.apple.com/quicktime/hdgallery/ Batman Begins stats * Duration: 2:24 * File size: 115 MB * Resolution: 1280x544 * Video codec: H.264 * Audio codec: AAC XVid is still good though but I think there is always room for improvement.

May 3rd, 2005, 03:02 PM	#2
bihus Joined: Dec 7th, 2003 Last Online: April 2nd, 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 4,618 Rep Power: 25	115MB for 2:24? I think it won't be necessary to start using that.

May 3rd, 2005, 03:17 PM	#3
monkeymax Joined: Dec 7th, 2004 Last Online: November 25th, 2008 Location: England Age: 25 Posts: 1,023 Car: Toyota MR2 Mk1, Toyota MR2 Mk1 SC, Peugeot 309 Rep Power: 19	After reading this, persuaded my housemate to download the Serenity HD trailer. Same sorta size, but looks really really sweet. However, his computer jumped and skipped a lot - this is a one and a half week old, top of the range PowerBook which is unfortunately a G4. It definately needs a G5 to run. Looks really really nice, but don't think the computing capabilities for playback are quite there yet - capable computers need to become more widespread - this is made worse by the fact that this is still a Mac only codec... (but it's really making me tempted to go out and buy the PowerBook I dream of, maybe when the PB G5 comes out... 8) ) [Edit] Ah yes; also as Bihus says, 120 odd megs for a couple of minutes is alot of download requirements with the current broadband speeds widely available... maybe when broadband gets universal faster will this become more popular... [/Edit] __________________ Yup, two too many cars, but I love 'em: 1991 Peugeot 309 - owned it for four years, currently the only runner and the daily driver... but great fun to drive! French though, so gotta treat her rough to keep her happy. 1989 Toyota MR2 Mk1 - owned it for two years. Love it loads. Currently undergoing a suspension upgrade... 1987 Toyota MR2 Mk1 SC - A project car that had Headgasket issues when I bought it. I've never driven it... yet...

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ESPNSTI Your Guide to TG/FG Joined: Dec 9th, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Decorah, IA Age: 36 Posts: 4,297 Car: 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STI (USDM) LFS Status: Rep Power: 35	H.264 has a fantastic quality and has better compression than xvid / divx. It is the future of digital video, and it will be used for the next generation DVD (HD-DVD). The reason why it is so big is probably because: - It's high resolution (1280x544) - It is probably encoded at a very high bitrate. BTW, I have played H.264 files of similar size on my P4 1.8 before and it didn't stutter at all. It is might be that the codec still needs optimization, but yes, H.264 will need a decent computer. __________________ Top Gear Episode Guide (Excel) \| Top Gear Episode Guide (HTML) \| Top Gear Classic Episode Guide (HTML) Other Top Gear Guides \| Fifth Gear Guides \| Clarkson's TV/Video List \| Tiff Needell's TV/Video List

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ESPNSTI Your Guide to TG/FG Joined: Dec 9th, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Decorah, IA Age: 36 Posts: 4,297 Car: 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STI (USDM) LFS Status: Rep Power: 35	IMHO, it's a good choice to use H.264 regardless (once the codecs are mature): At the same resolution, bitrate and quality, an H.264 file will have a smaller file size than xvid / divx, etc... At the same resolution and file size, an H.264 file will have a higher bitrate and better quality than xvid / divx, etc... __________________ Top Gear Episode Guide (Excel) \| Top Gear Episode Guide (HTML) \| Top Gear Classic Episode Guide (HTML) Other Top Gear Guides \| Fifth Gear Guides \| Clarkson's TV/Video List \| Tiff Needell's TV/Video List

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evoWALO Joined: Nov 11th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Philippines / Naples, Florida Age: 28 Posts: 592 Rep Power: 17	monkey: even on a dual 1GHz PowerMac it would still run below the normal framerates unless I shut down everything and just play the trailer. I was hoping that VUK's encodes could be jacked up to Standard Def or better. Maybe a higher bitrate could be offered? Imagine watching Top Gear & Fifth Gear on your TV at a better bitrate. Hopefully Apple will release QT7 for Windows soon.

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chaos386 .sa = bad driver! Joined: Nov 8th, 2004 Last Online: November 30th, 2008 Location: Paris, France Age: 22 Posts: 3,443 LFS Status: Rep Power: 58	^Yeah, at that bitrate you could fit three hours of video onto a 9GB DVD. That's pretty good for 1280x544! __________________ "My dog is worried about the economy because Alpo is up to $3.00 a can. That's almost $21.00 in dog money." -Joe Weinstein

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sandor_ Joined: Mar 16th, 2005 Last Online: December 28th, 2007 Location: Philadelphia, USA Age: 28 Posts: 1,043 Car: 911, 328i, Golf, '71 Vespa Sprint Rep Power: 0	i would love to see full res Fifth Gear and Top Gear!!

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Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,988 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	It's QuickTime, so no thanks. But anyway, 720p / 1080i are insane quality. Here's some more examples using WMVHD: http://www.wmvhd.com/ I have 3 1080i .TS movie rips and true, they're 10-12 GB, but still, the quality is insane. Here's a screenshot of Gladiator for example: __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

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bahnstormer Joined: Jan 5th, 2004 Last Online: August 25th, 2008 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 1,449 Rep Power: 0	h264 has been around for a while quicktime player just supports it now or maybe mac just copied it or w/e h264 is not quicktime only __________________

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Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,988 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	Oh, well then find me something that can play whatever's in the original link 'cause I refuse to install QuickTime on my computer and QT Alt. won't play it. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

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evoWALO Joined: Nov 11th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Philippines / Naples, Florida Age: 28 Posts: 592 Rep Power: 17	FG & TG arent being broadcasted in HD or is VUK's feed not in HD?

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Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,988 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	Yeah, Vuk grabs the digital broadcasted signal, but it's just a digital version of normal TV. It's not high res. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

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evoWALO Joined: Nov 11th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Philippines / Naples, Florida Age: 28 Posts: 592 Rep Power: 17	Oh... Hmmm no HD in the UK? I was under the impression it was seeming the BBC was retooling their gear towards a fully HD broadcast.

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