Quicktime 7 and the H.264 codec - Page 2

monkeymax · May 4th, 2005, 11:21 AM

EvoWALO, we don't yet have HD over here in the UK, and we won't have it for at least another year if the government targets are met (but people are saying there won't be proper implimentation for at least the next few years... images/smilies/sad.gif

). However, the HD programs are going to be phased in - that is, the most popular programs will get it first. Now, whether that includes FG/TG I don't know, but I really hope it does.

Currently we have only got digital TV which is nowhere near HD in terms of resolution, but still better than analog. We also still have analog TV but that should be turned off complete by 2010 (again, 5 years ago the government was saying it'd be off by 2005, so who knows when it will be turned off and the next step fully implimented?!?).

As for BBC buying stuff for HD... not so sure about that, but wouldn't be too surprised... Can't wait for HD over here images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

(though it would mean a new TV... images/smilies/sad.gif

)

Viper007Bond · May 4th, 2005, 11:31 AM

WTF, no more analog TV?! That'd mean that everyone would have to buy new equipment!

Man, I love how things are here. The government stays outta all that crap and free enterprise keeps things moving along. images/smilies/smile.gif

swek · May 4th, 2005, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

WTF, no more analog TV?! That'd mean that everyone would have to buy new equipment!

Correct, It's the same situation in Germany but the equipment needed for digital TV goes for 60 € so it's not that big of a deal.

bigfoot1942 · May 4th, 2005, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Man, I love how things are here. The government stays outta all that crap and free enterprise keeps things moving along. images/smilies/smile.gif

everything has its advantages... images/smilies/smile.gif

chaos386 · May 4th, 2005, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

WTF, no more analog TV?! That'd mean that everyone would have to buy new equipment!

Man, I love how things are here. The government stays outta all that crap and free enterprise keeps things moving along. images/smilies/smile.gif

Hey, if the British government had stayed out of TV we never would have had Top Gear! images/smilies/ohmy.gif

monkeymax · May 4th, 2005, 03:01 PM

Over here, opinion is definately split as to whether having government control parts of TV (such as when the analog signal should be switched off) is a good thing or not... as well as BBC being paid by TV license and to some extent controlled by government. I like the current system, but hey, that's a discussion for a different thread and has been discussed many times elsewhere I'm sure...

But yeah, the switching off of the analog signal means that everyone has to buy new kit. The Digital TV receiver boxes are seriously dropping in price at the moment, but there are many people confused as to what to buy in terms of new TVs etc, as there is so much new technology just around the corner which isn't fully supported yet. For example, we're all expecting HD TV soon, but the number of TV sets that can actually display true HD TV over here is very small - I think the number of models available can be counted on one hand.

Someone who knows better can feel free to correct me on this as I've not kept up with this side of tech. for a while... I'm not gonna be buying a new telly for a while anyway... (cheap students, and bittorrent... images/smilies/biggrin.gif

- my current TV works fine anyway at the moment...)

Back to work... images/smilies/sad.gif

hokiethang · May 4th, 2005, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

WTF, no more analog TV?! That'd mean that everyone would have to buy new equipment!

Eh, its actually a good thing, it'll allow more radio based services that don't suck, since the FCC can reallocate bandwidth to other services thats currently occupied by TV stations. A single analog TV channel's worth of bandwidth can carry 1 HD and 2 SD channels. The TV stations are dragging their feet (as well as the hardware manufacturers), because they enjoy having an extra channel to put additional advertising on. The hardware manufacturers plan to offer converter boxes for at or below $50 (as of a year ago, things may have changed), for those without cable service.

Also, that extra 6 MHz could be used for high reliability cell phone service, or high reliability radio service, since TV signals are longer wavelength therefore need fewer towers to provide more service.

evoWALO · May 4th, 2005, 03:29 PM

I believe the US govt mandated all SDTV broadcasts to be HDTV next year unless they pushed it back again.

hokiethang · May 4th, 2005, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evoWALO

I believe the US govt mandated all SDTV broadcasts to be HDTV next year unless they pushed it back again.

Actually no, they aren't mandating HD. They are mandating DTV or Digital TV. Stations are not required to broadcast HD content, they can continue to broadcast their standard definition content, it just has to be digital. At the time the mandate would be enforced, stations would have to give back one of their two channels, its their choice which they keep. Theoretically its supposed to go in to effect in July of 2006, but every time they approach a date, it gets pushed further into the future because of the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) government lobbyists.

sandor_ · May 4th, 2005, 05:24 PM

http://homepage.mac.com/gsf/divxvsh264.png

Comparison of DivX and h.264

both target size of 700 MB, 2-pass encoding. h.264 looks pretty darn good.

Viper007Bond · May 5th, 2005, 12:30 AM

DivX blows. I wanna see a XviD vs. H.264. images/smilies/smile.gif

Buba · May 5th, 2005, 11:23 AM

I read a test about that in a german mag... First was the h.264 style Nero recode, second the x.264 codec and then came xvid... Mind you this test was done in relativly low bitrates... Xvid catches up a bit on high bitrate stuff...

Funny: They also tested a beta version of divx fusion... It was last in the test, right after .wmv...
Divxdays are over, I guess... Long live Xvid... I hope the encoding stays like it is for a while... The dvdplayer won't do h.264....

sandor_ · May 5th, 2005, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

DivX blows. I wanna see a XviD vs. H.264. images/smilies/smile.gif

i'll work on it right now =)

it will just take a bit of time, im at work now, and stuck on a craptacular computer....

Viggen · May 6th, 2005, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

WTF, no more analog TV?! That'd mean that everyone would have to buy new equipment!

Man, I love how things are here. The government stays outta all that crap and free enterprise keeps things moving along. images/smilies/smile.gif

I read an article about that, and those households with cable and satellite service (about 70-80%?) don't need to buy new equipment. The ones who receieve broadcast from attenna will have to buy a new HD reciever.

Viggen · May 6th, 2005, 04:27 AM

BTW, I was at the Mac OS X Tiger premere night at my local Apple Store last friday and got to see the new QT7 and H.264 codec in action (using PowerMac G5 and 30-inch monitor), and it was pretty damn impressive, IMO.

evoWALO · May 6th, 2005, 01:27 PM

Sorry for the size but I didnt want to ruin the quality.

http://img239.echo.cx/img239/2144/picture17vm.th.png

http://img242.echo.cx/img242/7314/quicktimeplayerscreensnapz0016.th.jpg

Viper007Bond · May 6th, 2005, 07:27 PM

1080i and 720p own! images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Check out all these screen captures of HDTV movies: http://www.atmorgen.com/HDTV.htm

Buba · May 6th, 2005, 09:26 PM

nice...

evoWALO · May 6th, 2005, 11:14 PM

^^ my above posted screen caps arent HDTV resolution. But something high enough for our computer displays.

Buba · May 7th, 2005, 12:00 AM

If Katie Holmes is in that Batman movie, I have to watch it...

I hate the fact she's with that stupid Tom Cruise... Damn you Scientologists!!!

May 4th, 2005, 11:21 AM	#21
monkeymax Joined: Dec 7th, 2004 Last Online: December 29th, 2008 Location: England Age: 25 Posts: 1,023 Car: Toyota MR2 Mk1, Toyota MR2 Mk1 SC, Peugeot 309 Rep Power: 19	EvoWALO, we don't yet have HD over here in the UK, and we won't have it for at least another year if the government targets are met (but people are saying there won't be proper implimentation for at least the next few years... ). However, the HD programs are going to be phased in - that is, the most popular programs will get it first. Now, whether that includes FG/TG I don't know, but I really hope it does. Currently we have only got digital TV which is nowhere near HD in terms of resolution, but still better than analog. We also still have analog TV but that should be turned off complete by 2010 (again, 5 years ago the government was saying it'd be off by 2005, so who knows when it will be turned off and the next step fully implimented?!?). As for BBC buying stuff for HD... not so sure about that, but wouldn't be too surprised... Can't wait for HD over here (though it would mean a new TV... ) __________________ Yup, two too many cars, but I love 'em: 1991 Peugeot 309 - owned it for four years, currently the only runner and the daily driver... but great fun to drive! French though, so gotta treat her rough to keep her happy. 1989 Toyota MR2 Mk1 - owned it for two years. Love it loads. Currently undergoing a suspension upgrade... 1987 Toyota MR2 Mk1 SC - A project car that had Headgasket issues when I bought it. I've never driven it... yet...

May 4th, 2005, 11:31 AM	#22
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,086 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 237	WTF, no more analog TV?! That'd mean that everyone would have to buy new equipment! Man, I love how things are here. The government stays outta all that crap and free enterprise keeps things moving along. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

May 4th, 2005, 03:01 PM	#26
monkeymax Joined: Dec 7th, 2004 Last Online: December 29th, 2008 Location: England Age: 25 Posts: 1,023 Car: Toyota MR2 Mk1, Toyota MR2 Mk1 SC, Peugeot 309 Rep Power: 19	Over here, opinion is definately split as to whether having government control parts of TV (such as when the analog signal should be switched off) is a good thing or not... as well as BBC being paid by TV license and to some extent controlled by government. I like the current system, but hey, that's a discussion for a different thread and has been discussed many times elsewhere I'm sure... But yeah, the switching off of the analog signal means that everyone has to buy new kit. The Digital TV receiver boxes are seriously dropping in price at the moment, but there are many people confused as to what to buy in terms of new TVs etc, as there is so much new technology just around the corner which isn't fully supported yet. For example, we're all expecting HD TV soon, but the number of TV sets that can actually display true HD TV over here is very small - I think the number of models available can be counted on one hand. Someone who knows better can feel free to correct me on this as I've not kept up with this side of tech. for a while... I'm not gonna be buying a new telly for a while anyway... (cheap students, and bittorrent... - my current TV works fine anyway at the moment...) Back to work... __________________ Yup, two too many cars, but I love 'em: 1991 Peugeot 309 - owned it for four years, currently the only runner and the daily driver... but great fun to drive! French though, so gotta treat her rough to keep her happy. 1989 Toyota MR2 Mk1 - owned it for two years. Love it loads. Currently undergoing a suspension upgrade... 1987 Toyota MR2 Mk1 SC - A project car that had Headgasket issues when I bought it. I've never driven it... yet...

May 5th, 2005, 12:30 AM	#31
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,086 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 237	DivX blows. I wanna see a XviD vs. H.264. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

May 5th, 2005, 11:23 AM	#32
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 6,028 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 40	I read a test about that in a german mag... First was the h.264 style Nero recode, second the x.264 codec and then came xvid... Mind you this test was done in relativly low bitrates... Xvid catches up a bit on high bitrate stuff... Funny: They also tested a beta version of divx fusion... It was last in the test, right after .wmv... Divxdays are over, I guess... Long live Xvid... I hope the encoding stays like it is for a while... The dvdplayer won't do h.264.... __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

May 4th, 2005, 03:29 PM	#28
evoWALO Joined: Nov 11th, 2004 Last Online: January 6th, 2009 Location: Philippines / Naples, Florida Age: 28 Posts: 625 Rep Power: 18	I believe the US govt mandated all SDTV broadcasts to be HDTV next year unless they pushed it back again.

May 4th, 2005, 05:24 PM	#30
sandor_ Joined: Mar 16th, 2005 Last Online: December 28th, 2007 Location: Philadelphia, USA Age: 28 Posts: 1,043 Car: 911, 328i, Golf, '71 Vespa Sprint Rep Power: 0	http://homepage.mac.com/gsf/divxvsh264.png Comparison of DivX and h.264 both target size of 700 MB, 2-pass encoding. h.264 looks pretty darn good.

May 6th, 2005, 04:27 AM	#35
Viggen Joined: Mar 17th, 2004 Last Online: August 21st, 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington USA Posts: 355 Car: Saab 900 and VW GTI MkV (saving, only $24K to go!) Rep Power: 0	BTW, I was at the Mac OS X Tiger premere night at my local Apple Store last friday and got to see the new QT7 and H.264 codec in action (using PowerMac G5 and 30-inch monitor), and it was pretty damn impressive, IMO. __________________ Jeremy's an antique, the Hamster just squeaks, James is such a geek, and I really want to know who the Stig is... - McFly

May 6th, 2005, 01:27 PM	#36
evoWALO Joined: Nov 11th, 2004 Last Online: January 6th, 2009 Location: Philippines / Naples, Florida Age: 28 Posts: 625 Rep Power: 18	Sorry for the size but I didnt want to ruin the quality.

May 6th, 2005, 07:27 PM	#37
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,086 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 237	1080i and 720p own! Check out all these screen captures of HDTV movies: http://www.atmorgen.com/HDTV.htm __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

May 6th, 2005, 09:26 PM	#38
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 6,028 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 40	nice... __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

May 6th, 2005, 11:14 PM	#39
evoWALO Joined: Nov 11th, 2004 Last Online: January 6th, 2009 Location: Philippines / Naples, Florida Age: 28 Posts: 625 Rep Power: 18	^^ my above posted screen caps arent HDTV resolution. But something high enough for our computer displays.

May 7th, 2005, 12:00 AM	#40
Buba Wants Rick Astley's Babies Joined: Nov 12th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Regensburg, Bavaria Age: 27 Posts: 6,028 Car: Golf LFS Status: Rep Power: 40	If Katie Holmes is in that Batman movie, I have to watch it... I hate the fact she's with that stupid Tom Cruise... Damn you Scientologists!!! __________________ [18:11] MXM: it means buba is better than you now [18:12] sam-l: In what way? [18:12] Slycer: longer penis

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