Steering wheel help needed

NooDle · October 16th, 2008, 04:07 PM

So, after 6 or so years my old Microsoft PC wheel is dying, it's not being recognized all the time and working intermittently.

So i'm looking for a new one. The kicker is that I now own a PS2 and would like a steering wheel that works with both. Trouble is I have no idea which one to get and which are any good.

I've read a lot of good things about the Driving Force Pro, but then again the G25 wheel sounds like teh sex. Does the shifter thingy/clutch pedal work with the PS2? If it does, I need to search no longer.

Also, I would want to keep this under 100€s if at all possible.

OK you driving experts, advise me!

thevictor390 · October 16th, 2008, 07:46 PM

The G25's shifter and clutch would not work with the PS2, and I have no idea if the rest of it would. The Logitech GT Force, Driving force, and Driving Force Pro will all work with games specifically designed to use them on PS2, though. They are made for Gran Turismo 3 and 4 but in my experience work with many more games, including (off the top of my head) Midnight Club 3, Hot Wheels Extreme Racing, Burnout 3, and Test Drive Off-Road: Wide Open. They should all work fine with a PC as well.

I have still have an old Driving Force than I got for GT3, and plan to use extensively for GT5 if I don't break down and get the G25 (must... have... stick shift...).

the Interceptor · October 16th, 2008, 07:51 PM

G25 is better in all respects than the Driving Force Pro (DFP), yet quite a lot more expensive. If you can get a good price for the G25 and are willing to pay it, go for it. You can still use the G25's excellent paddle shifters and the great pedals, so you won't have to suffer any disadvantages over the DFP. Also, you will most likely be able to use the G25 with future games and systems you'll probably buy. Still, the DFP also is a good choice I still recommend, especially as it has become quite affordable.

matt2000 · October 16th, 2008, 07:55 PM

I have a DFP and I can't say anything bad about it at all, very good value. G25 is great but maybe overkill. And apparently the shifter is flimsy and breaks easily.

devil500 · October 16th, 2008, 09:59 PM

I will say the G25 shifter is really crappy and just rubbish.. I just use the paddles..

NecroJoe · October 16th, 2008, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devil500

I will say the G25 shifter is really crappy and just rubbish.. I just use the paddles..

Is there a model that's essentially the G25, but without the shifter?

the Interceptor · October 17th, 2008, 07:47 AM

No, you can only buy the G25 with the shifter.

NooDle · October 17th, 2008, 09:06 AM

I'm browsing the Logitech site and can't find a DF Pro, only a DF GT. Is this the same thing?
I'm also quite surprised that the one costs exactly twice of the other...

http://pic.phyrefile.com/a/an/anonymous/2008/10/17/logitech.JPG

the Interceptor · October 17th, 2008, 09:16 AM

No, the DF GT is kind of the inofficial successor of the DFP. It also was made to work hand in hand with Gran Turismo, but I suppose it also works with other games. In terms of feel and quality, people say it lies between the G25 and the DFP.

MadCow809 · October 17th, 2008, 10:26 AM

G25 all the way, you won't regret it.

best $270 I've ever spent, worth every single penny.

NooDle · October 17th, 2008, 10:38 AM

Just to clarify, I only have GT4 now on the PS2 and I don't really care about other PS2 games (yet).
I suppose as long as it works with the PC and GT4 on the playstation I will be a happy man.

I'm quite tempted by the G25 but if the pedal/shifter doesn't work in GT4 I see no point in spending another 150€ for a function I don't need. Besides, to me paddle shifts or a sequential shifter is fine.

Also : I need someone to make me one of those cool racing cockpit thingies like this

any takers? images/smilies/tongue.gif

Archie411 · October 17th, 2008, 11:23 AM

I have a question (If you dont mind Noodle images/smilies/wink.gif

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Does the clutch and and the H pattern shifter work with the PC? on a game like LFS, GTR etc.. ?
I think it does but it would be nice for someone to acually confirm it.
I have no intention of buying them soon images/smilies/sad.gif

because Im lacking money, but its nice to know.

matt2000 · October 17th, 2008, 01:39 PM

If you start using this for PC games you can buy or build your own H shifter like I did (last year, still haven't got past a mock up version yet) using an old joystick and some free software. I got a couple of old Logitech Wingman Force sticks and a Land Rover Discovery handbrake arm from eBay.

The DFGT does look nice, but I don't the that rotating button being much use to be honest.

AarheadC · October 17th, 2008, 08:51 PM

I think the rotating button on the DFGT is for GT5 and controlling the stability control on-the-fly. If so, that seems like quite a nice feature. Like the manitino (?) switch on the Ferrari F430!
Although, this will only be useful to you if you ever plan to upgrade to PS3 in the future.

NooDle · October 27th, 2008, 01:50 PM

and now I found another logitech wheel for just 79€!

the only difference I found was that it has no shifter (just paddles behind the wheel). Do I really need a shifter, and am I willing to pay 46€ extra for one...

decisions decisions...

MadCow809 · October 28th, 2008, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NooDle

and now I found another logitech wheel for just 79€!

the only difference I found was that it has no shifter (just paddles behind the wheel). Do I really need a shifter, and am I willing to pay 46€ extra for one...

decisions decisions...

Shifter FTW.

matt2000 · October 28th, 2008, 03:00 PM

You don't need a shifter, especially since the G25 shifter is pretty cheaply made. What is the other wheel you've seen? Old Driving Force or a Momo or something?

NooDle · October 28th, 2008, 06:28 PM

it was the Driving Force EX

thevictor390 · October 31st, 2008, 06:44 PM

The shifter won't work right for a lot of PC games either. The game needs to support 1) a clutch button or axis and 2) separate controls for individual gears. Some of the more simulation-oriented games do but most don't, so you'll end up using it like a sequential shift. The paddles on the Driving force should be fine unless you have a specific game in mind that you know works with the shifter.

Also, I don't know about the Driving force EX, but the Driving force and GT Force have 90 degrees of rotation in either direction, whereas the Driving Force pro has something like 800 degrees of rotation total.

October 16th, 2008, 04:07 PM	#1
NooDle Joined: Jul 20th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Belgium Age: 27 Posts: 3,185 Car: 2004 Opel Astra 2.2DTI Rep Power: 45	Steering wheel help needed So, after 6 or so years my old Microsoft PC wheel is dying, it's not being recognized all the time and working intermittently. So i'm looking for a new one. The kicker is that I now own a PS2 and would like a steering wheel that works with both. Trouble is I have no idea which one to get and which are any good. I've read a lot of good things about the Driving Force Pro, but then again the G25 wheel sounds like teh sex. Does the shifter thingy/clutch pedal work with the PS2? If it does, I need to search no longer. Also, I would want to keep this under 100€s if at all possible. OK you driving experts, advise me! __________________ James is cooler than anyone else in the world, ever.

October 16th, 2008, 07:51 PM	#3
the Interceptor I LUV MY PRIUS!!! Joined: Feb 22nd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Germany Posts: 2,277 Car: BMW E36 323i superleggera (-85 kg) Rep Power: 56	G25 is better in all respects than the Driving Force Pro (DFP), yet quite a lot more expensive. If you can get a good price for the G25 and are willing to pay it, go for it. You can still use the G25's excellent paddle shifters and the great pedals, so you won't have to suffer any disadvantages over the DFP. Also, you will most likely be able to use the G25 with future games and systems you'll probably buy. Still, the DFP also is a good choice I still recommend, especially as it has become quite affordable. __________________ "We have to laugh at the Germans, because they're so riddled with guilt about their history, they can't laugh at themselves." - Jeremy Clarkson Ken Rockwell on recommended cameras: "If you don't have the time to read the rest of this page, you want a Nikon D40."

October 16th, 2008, 07:55 PM	#4
matt2000 Hedgehog Sandwich Joined: Feb 17th, 2006 Last Online: 12:10 AM Location: Market Harborough, UK Age: 18 Posts: 3,682 Car: '77 Land Rover Series III LFS Status: Rep Power: 56	I have a DFP and I can't say anything bad about it at all, very good value. G25 is great but maybe overkill. And apparently the shifter is flimsy and breaks easily. __________________ 'I've spoken to the scientist in that article. He is convinced that the parrot is "just resting".' - Plissken "My daughter has... errr HAD one, and I was given one" - Scott

October 16th, 2008, 09:59 PM	#5
devil500 Joined: Aug 8th, 2007 Last Online: 02:26 AM Location: NYC Age: 16 Posts: 549 Car: Got teh permit, but MTA still going my way Rep Power: 8	I will say the G25 shifter is really crappy and just rubbish.. I just use the paddles.. __________________ Happy 1984...Ermm oh yeah 2009..

October 17th, 2008, 07:47 AM	#7
the Interceptor I LUV MY PRIUS!!! Joined: Feb 22nd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Germany Posts: 2,277 Car: BMW E36 323i superleggera (-85 kg) Rep Power: 56	No, you can only buy the G25 with the shifter. __________________ "We have to laugh at the Germans, because they're so riddled with guilt about their history, they can't laugh at themselves." - Jeremy Clarkson Ken Rockwell on recommended cameras: "If you don't have the time to read the rest of this page, you want a Nikon D40."

October 16th, 2008, 07:46 PM	#2
thevictor390 Joined: Mar 9th, 2007 Last Online: 03:42 AM Location: Massachusetts Posts: 208 Car: 1996 Chrysler Sebring Coupe Rep Power: 14	The G25's shifter and clutch would not work with the PS2, and I have no idea if the rest of it would. The Logitech GT Force, Driving force, and Driving Force Pro will all work with games specifically designed to use them on PS2, though. They are made for Gran Turismo 3 and 4 but in my experience work with many more games, including (off the top of my head) Midnight Club 3, Hot Wheels Extreme Racing, Burnout 3, and Test Drive Off-Road: Wide Open. They should all work fine with a PC as well. I have still have an old Driving Force than I got for GT3, and plan to use extensively for GT5 if I don't break down and get the G25 (must... have... stick shift...).

October 17th, 2008, 09:06 AM	#8
NooDle Joined: Jul 20th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Belgium Age: 27 Posts: 3,185 Car: 2004 Opel Astra 2.2DTI Rep Power: 45	I'm browsing the Logitech site and can't find a DF Pro, only a DF GT. Is this the same thing? I'm also quite surprised that the one costs exactly twice of the other... __________________ James is cooler than anyone else in the world, ever.

October 17th, 2008, 09:16 AM	#9
the Interceptor I LUV MY PRIUS!!! Joined: Feb 22nd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Germany Posts: 2,277 Car: BMW E36 323i superleggera (-85 kg) Rep Power: 56	No, the DF GT is kind of the inofficial successor of the DFP. It also was made to work hand in hand with Gran Turismo, but I suppose it also works with other games. In terms of feel and quality, people say it lies between the G25 and the DFP. __________________ "We have to laugh at the Germans, because they're so riddled with guilt about their history, they can't laugh at themselves." - Jeremy Clarkson Ken Rockwell on recommended cameras: "If you don't have the time to read the rest of this page, you want a Nikon D40."

October 17th, 2008, 10:26 AM	#10
MadCow809 Joined: Feb 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 02:20 AM Location: Durban, South Africa / Los Angeles, California Age: 23 Posts: 3,117 Car: 2007 E87 BMW 130i LFS Status: Rep Power: 32	G25 all the way, you won't regret it. best $270 I've ever spent, worth every single penny. __________________ Supporting : A.Priaulx, Kimi Räikkönen, J.Button, R.Kubica, P.Solberg, M.Hirvonen, J.Plato & M.Jackson FinalGear's Car/Bike Register 08/09 Currently looking for a car, got any suggestions? 08 Honda Civic Coupe 06 BMW 130i 05 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS 05 Ford Bantam 1.3i 95 Mercedes Benz E320 Sportline Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 @ 3Ghz (333 X 9 @ 1.44v ~ 35°c with ZEROtherm BTF90/92mm Cooler) \| DFI INFINITY P965-S \| Corsair XMS DDR II 800 6 Gb \| GeCube ATi HD3850 512mb @ 800/1000Mhz \| Seagate 500Gb + 500Gb + 750Gb + 1000Gb\| LITE-ON 20X DVDRW \| XION 600W PSU \| Logitech Z-2300 \| Logitech MX1000 \| Logitech G25 \| Dual 22" LCD Display @ 3360 x 1050 + Toshiba 40" HDTV @ 1920 x 1080 \| CoolerMaster Centurion 590 \| Vista 64 Ultimate \|

October 17th, 2008, 10:38 AM	#11
NooDle Joined: Jul 20th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Belgium Age: 27 Posts: 3,185 Car: 2004 Opel Astra 2.2DTI Rep Power: 45	Just to clarify, I only have GT4 now on the PS2 and I don't really care about other PS2 games (yet). I suppose as long as it works with the PC and GT4 on the playstation I will be a happy man. I'm quite tempted by the G25 but if the pedal/shifter doesn't work in GT4 I see no point in spending another 150€ for a function I don't need. Besides, to me paddle shifts or a sequential shifter is fine. Also : I need someone to make me one of those cool racing cockpit thingies like this any takers? __________________ James is cooler than anyone else in the world, ever.

October 17th, 2008, 11:23 AM	#12
Archie411 Joined: Nov 11th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 259 Car: Toyota Vista (My fathers, i'm still too young) LFS Status: Rep Power: 7	I have a question (If you dont mind Noodle ) Does the clutch and and the H pattern shifter work with the PC? on a game like LFS, GTR etc.. ? I think it does but it would be nice for someone to acually confirm it. I have no intention of buying them soon because Im lacking money, but its nice to know.

October 17th, 2008, 01:39 PM	#13
matt2000 Hedgehog Sandwich Joined: Feb 17th, 2006 Last Online: 12:10 AM Location: Market Harborough, UK Age: 18 Posts: 3,682 Car: '77 Land Rover Series III LFS Status: Rep Power: 56	If you start using this for PC games you can buy or build your own H shifter like I did (last year, still haven't got past a mock up version yet) using an old joystick and some free software. I got a couple of old Logitech Wingman Force sticks and a Land Rover Discovery handbrake arm from eBay. The DFGT does look nice, but I don't the that rotating button being much use to be honest. __________________ 'I've spoken to the scientist in that article. He is convinced that the parrot is "just resting".' - Plissken "My daughter has... errr HAD one, and I was given one" - Scott

October 17th, 2008, 08:51 PM	#14
AarheadC Joined: May 27th, 2005 Last Online: 03:26 AM Location: Anchorage, AK Age: 24 Posts: 378 Car: A Blue Hatchback Rep Power: 17	I think the rotating button on the DFGT is for GT5 and controlling the stability control on-the-fly. If so, that seems like quite a nice feature. Like the manitino (?) switch on the Ferrari F430! Although, this will only be useful to you if you ever plan to upgrade to PS3 in the future. __________________

October 27th, 2008, 01:50 PM	#15
NooDle Joined: Jul 20th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Belgium Age: 27 Posts: 3,185 Car: 2004 Opel Astra 2.2DTI Rep Power: 45	and now I found another logitech wheel for just 79€! the only difference I found was that it has no shifter (just paddles behind the wheel). Do I really need a shifter, and am I willing to pay 46€ extra for one... decisions decisions... __________________ James is cooler than anyone else in the world, ever.

October 28th, 2008, 03:00 PM	#17
matt2000 Hedgehog Sandwich Joined: Feb 17th, 2006 Last Online: 12:10 AM Location: Market Harborough, UK Age: 18 Posts: 3,682 Car: '77 Land Rover Series III LFS Status: Rep Power: 56	You don't need a shifter, especially since the G25 shifter is pretty cheaply made. What is the other wheel you've seen? Old Driving Force or a Momo or something? __________________ 'I've spoken to the scientist in that article. He is convinced that the parrot is "just resting".' - Plissken "My daughter has... errr HAD one, and I was given one" - Scott

October 28th, 2008, 06:28 PM	#18
NooDle Joined: Jul 20th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Belgium Age: 27 Posts: 3,185 Car: 2004 Opel Astra 2.2DTI Rep Power: 45	it was the Driving Force EX __________________ James is cooler than anyone else in the world, ever.

October 31st, 2008, 06:44 PM	#19
thevictor390 Joined: Mar 9th, 2007 Last Online: 03:42 AM Location: Massachusetts Posts: 208 Car: 1996 Chrysler Sebring Coupe Rep Power: 14	The shifter won't work right for a lot of PC games either. The game needs to support 1) a clutch button or axis and 2) separate controls for individual gears. Some of the more simulation-oriented games do but most don't, so you'll end up using it like a sequential shift. The paddles on the Driving force should be fine unless you have a specific game in mind that you know works with the shifter. Also, I don't know about the Driving force EX, but the Driving force and GT Force have 90 degrees of rotation in either direction, whereas the Driving Force pro has something like 800 degrees of rotation total.

October 31st, 2008, 06:56 PM	#20
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