Seeders and Leechers

[Dieter Cabral]

Hey!

This Thread is just an attempt to raise some awareness in the fact that most of the people who download the torrent for the new episodes aren't really sharing them or "leeching them"

I am not complaining of the spectacular job done getting the links up so fast and with such a great quality, but I do feel that there should be some sort of control to avoid the people who download and don´t even wait for the ratio to go up to 1.

At the time I made this Thread the stats for EP 11x02 were:

Share ratio: 83 seeds, 4610 leechers

Last updated: 2 hours ago

Downloads: 9,115

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My point is that I am in no way an expert, but how come for this particular torrent there have been 9 115 downloads and there are only 83 seeds and 4600 leechers!...

Is there anything we can do?

Dieter

[skylock]

I don't think there is anything you can do except go to a private tracker.

The problem I find with the private trackers that measure your seeding is it is fine for a new torrent. But if you download an older one, nobody comes behind you to up your ratio. I have been seeding something I got off a private tracker for almost a month now and just today have I broke 60%. So to compensate, I will d/l a popular one and seed it to 2-300%, but then that will screw up someone else. I wish there was a better way.

I personally seed for TG for 2 weeks. By that time it is usually up on one of the FTPs and all the rabid TG fans should have gotten it if they do not know about this site. Also, if I see a request, I will seed that.

[ChrisSRT4]

I am hosting. It took me almost 3 hours to download. The first episode from season 11 is still uploading for people also. I averaged around 40 kb/second on the download...not good. Please everyone leave it up (at least for a few days so the rest of us can enjoy it!!!).


Edit: Good for you Judy ^ ^ ^ I will now leave mine for weeks on end also. We need more people to leave these online!

[awdrifter]

You don't really need a lot of seeders, because everyone of those leechers are still seeding somewhat, so yea, it's not as good as 1:1 ratio of a private tracker, it's still not bad. This week I got Motorworld's rip, there's only 3 seeders and 16 leechers (because I couldn't connect to the tracker), but I still got my rip quick.

[TBoneUs]

I think part of the reason the ratio is so far off is that a lot of the regular finalgear people went to another site that many of us frequent to get the torrent. Leaving the masses on the finalgear torroent.

[SHUJeff281]

I just finished downloading in approx 2h34m and now i'm uploading at 304KB which will go up to 530KB when I go to sleep and don't need any extra bandwidth. I know i'm in the minority, but I try to do my part. I usually upload till I see somewhere around 100seeders. It's just before 11pm in NJ and I only see 15 seeds according to bitlord. Mininova of course says there's more. I just wish there was a larger high quality file available.

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by awdrifter

You don't really need a lot of seeders, because everyone of those leechers are still seeding somewhat, so yea, it's not as good as 1:1 ratio of a private tracker, it's still not bad. This week I got Motorworld's rip, there's only 3 seeders and 16 leechers (because I couldn't connect to the tracker), but I still got my rip quick.

Correct. You download off BOTH seeders and leechers. The only difference is a seeder has a full copy while a leecher doesn't. That's it. As of this post, there are 1002 seeders and 6519 leechers, all of which you can download off of. The problem though comes from that people can't upload as fast as they can download, so they become bandwidth black holes.

And on a side note, my seedbox has been doing 11 megabytes (around 100mbit) a second up for the past 3 hours or whatever.

[Dieter Cabral]

Originally Posted by SHUJeff281

I just finished downloading in approx 2h34m and now i'm uploading at 304KB which will go up to 530KB when I go to sleep and don't need any extra bandwidth. I know i'm in the minority, but I try to do my part. I usually upload till I see somewhere around 100seeders. It's just before 11pm in NJ and I only see 15 seeds according to bitlord. Mininova of course says there's more. I just wish there was a larger high quality file available.

Thank you so very much!! I will seed for 2 weeks as well

Thanks again

[stealthx32]

This is more a general comment for Viper007Bond...

Since VuK isn't releasing exclusives for you anymore, why do you feel the need to relabel the scene rips with your own name, and thus split the seeding community in two? EZTV releases the rip here:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/1551642

And then you add the same torrent to mininova, which not only adds clutter, but also splits potential seeders between the two torrents. What do you have to gain from doing that? Fame? Just post the original release and help everyone out.

[NooDle]

I usually seed for atleast a week... only common curtousy I guess.
Problem for me is that DLing is 10x as quick as ULing

so getting to that 100% is quite difficult at times

[skylock]

Originally Posted by stealthx32

This is more a general comment for Viper007Bond...

Since VuK isn't releasing exclusives for you anymore, why do you feel the need to relabel the scene rips with your own name, and thus split the seeding community in two? EZTV releases the rip here:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/1551642

And then you add the same torrent to mininova, which not only adds clutter, but also splits potential seeders between the two torrents. What do you have to gain from doing that? Fame? Just post the original release and help everyone out.

I think you will find that FinalGears rip was up way before the one you have used in your argument.

Final Gears : http://www.mininova.org/tor/1551584

Your example : http://www.mininova.org/tor/1551642

So who is seeking fame? Maybe you should go to the board run by EZTV and ask them your question.

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by stealthx32

This is more a general comment for Viper007Bond...

Since VuK isn't releasing exclusives for you anymore, why do you feel the need to relabel the scene rips with your own name, and thus split the seeding community in two? EZTV releases the rip here:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/1551642

And then you add the same torrent to mininova, which not only adds clutter, but also splits potential seeders between the two torrents. What do you have to gain from doing that? Fame? Just post the original release and help everyone out.

If you want to use the EZTV torrent, go for it. The reason I make our own is because I prefer to have more control (our own trackers, etc.), EZTV is never as fast as we are, and the seed/peer ratio is a lot worse on the EZTV torrents. If I pointed everyone towards their torrent, all everyone would get is slower download speeds as there'd be a few more seeders and a lot more peers.

But basically, it comes down to quality control.


EDIT: Even now, we have a much better seed:peer ratio.

[MXM]

Originally Posted by stealthx32

Since VuK isn't releasing exclusives for you anymore, why do you feel the need to relabel the scene rips with your own name, and thus split the seeding community in two? EZTV releases the rip here:

What do you think eztv is doing? Ripping the show themselves? No, they do the same as us, just slower

[stealthx32]

Well actually, I use ISOHunt, which combines all the trackers hosting the same torrent:

http://vtv.tracker.prq.to:80/announce
http://trackeri4.rarbg.com:80/announce
http://eztv.tracker.thepiratebay.org:80/announce
http://77.247.176.153:80/announce
http://bt.dattebayo-fr.fr:64455/announce
http://tpb.tracker.prq.to:80/announce
http://tracker.prq.to:80/announce
http://tracker.ip-cloak.com:80/announce
http://rl-tracker.changeip.org:6969/announce

And if you just posted the original torrent, you too would be on that list! Idunno, maybe I'm a socialist commie bastard, but isn't the point of torrents to make content distribution better for everyone? You clearly have attracted a sizable following of those who come to the site to make their download, but I fail to see how isolating your group of seeders would be faster than if you just added to the aggregate.

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by stealthx32

And if you just posted the original torrent, you too would be on that list! Idunno, maybe I'm a socialist commie bastard, but isn't the point of torrents to make content distribution better for everyone? You clearly have attracted a sizable following of those who come to the site to make their download, but I fail to see how isolating your group of seeders would be faster than if you just added to the aggregate.

No, I agree. Our naming scheme is a bit odd, but it came from back in late 2003, long before I even knew about season/episode, etc. They were just called "Top Gear - 2003.10.03" or whatever. Then I realized it was like any other show, so I bumped in the season/episode to keep a mix. This of course was back when we were making our own rips and when I had little clue what "The Scene" was.

I may switch back to the stock name (although I f'ing hate all lowercase!) after this season is up. We'll see.

[Quiky]

Originally Posted by stealthx32

Well actually, I use ISOHunt, which combines all the trackers hosting the same torrent:

http://vtv.tracker.prq.to:80/announce
http://trackeri4.rarbg.com:80/announce
http://eztv.tracker.thepiratebay.org:80/announce
http://77.247.176.153:80/announce
http://bt.dattebayo-fr.fr:64455/announce
http://tpb.tracker.prq.to:80/announce
http://tracker.prq.to:80/announce
http://tracker.ip-cloak.com:80/announce
http://rl-tracker.changeip.org:6969/announce

And if you just posted the original torrent, you too would be on that list! Idunno, maybe I'm a socialist commie bastard, but isn't the point of torrents to make content distribution better for everyone? You clearly have attracted a sizable following of those who come to the site to make their download, but I fail to see how isolating your group of seeders would be faster than if you just added to the aggregate.

The hash is the same for the file-- regardless of the name. So using the torrent with those trackers would give you the added result of a few more seeders, and 20x more leechers.

[Seasonone]

All the more reason to get invited to ScT

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by Seasonone

All the more reason to get invited to ScT

Next to impossible to get an invite though.

[Seasonone]

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Next to impossible to get an invite though.

yes... next to

[Viper007Bond]

Originally Posted by Seasonone

yes... next to

Yeah, I know, I said "next to" for a reason.