2016 USA Presidential Elections

Italy is 20 years ahead of the US.

Or the US are 20 years behind.

Relativity is a funny thing. Time depends on the observer.

What doesn't change is separation.
 
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I really do wonder if the point that humanity has reached of late has always been an inevitability. Maybe that's what the great filter is.
 
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CNN's Van Jones: How do you explain a Trump presidency to your kids?

"You tell your kids: Don't be a bully... don't be a bigot.. do your homework and be prepared. And then you have this outcome."

"You have people putting children to bed tonight, and they're afraid of breakfast. They're afraid of 'How do I explain this to my children?'

Here's how: Sit them down and call them bullies and bigots anyway, no matter what they say back, or how they defend themselves. Throw in 'racist' and 'sexist', and get all your like-minded witch-hunting friends to join in too.

Do this over and over, relentlessly, regardless of your kids' actual behavior. Trust me, won't be long before the little tykes put two and two together.
 
One of the reasons I've refrained from mocking during the U.S. election. Glass houses and all that.

It should be mentioned that Trump's election may actually help with Brexit. One of the odd things about the US UK relationship is that we actually don't have any sort of free trade (or indeed, much of any trade) agreements between our two countries. Obama made some weird noises about if the UK voted for Brexit, his administration would look poorly on any trade deals and basically put Britain in the back of the bus for trade deal considerations... but we don't *have* any trade deals going right now so it wouldn't actually make the situation worse. It certainly wasn't a significant deterrent for the Brexit vote.

One of the things that will change under the Trump Administration?

Mr Trump's trade adviser has previously said the UK is a "friend" of America and will be front of the queue for an arrangement with the world's largest economy,

Dan DiMicco said Britain would be a higher priority for a deal than the European Union (EU).

Last year Britain imported more than ?32billion of US goods, while the UK exported ?38bn of goods to America, according to HM Revenue and Customs data.

When recently asked if the US would do a deal with Britain ahead of the EU split, Mr DiMicco said: "Absolutely."

The US is the UK's single largest trading partner in terms of exports or "they buy our stuff." The UK is our seventh largest trading partner. This despite the UK being the only one out of the top ten we don't have some kind of a trade agreement with (or have one in the works with) yet and in fact despite some surprisingly hostile trade barriers (in both directions) it's quite the little trade exchange.

That sting from leaving the EU? Yeah, might not be quite so bad after all. I can guarantee that I'll be buying more of the British goods I need, more often, should we enter a good trading pact - buying British will become more attractive. Even if you guys still haven't figured out waterproofing. :p I strongly doubt I'll be the only person or business doing that either.
 
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And you think that's gonna happen?
 
Americans stood up against socialism and corruption. Trump is President and Republicans control both the Senate and the House. We are set to get good SCOTUS justices instead of regressive socialist hacks. Things are looking up. But the best thing about this, by far, is the pant-shitting from the left and from Europe. Last night Canada's immigration website crashed - I really hope that all the socialist idiots follow through on their threats to move up there if Trump won.
 
And you think that's gonna happen?

What, a trade deal? If the UK wants one I'm pretty sure they'll get one under a Trump Administration. I can just about guarantee it'll go through faster and easier than CETA. There's not really any reason not to... and TTIP's starting to come apart at the seams anyway.

One of the fun things the Maastricht Treaty ended up doing is killing off a lot of the automotive and aerospace components trade between the US and the UK. Lucas was at one point quietly selling a huge proportion of their production to the US - many Mustangs have Lucas-made fuel injectors; they had Lucas made fog lights and other accessories as options. GM also bought Lucas parts. Most of that trade went poof in the wake of Maastricht for various related reasons; German industry made out like a bandit, capturing no small part of the lost UK business for some strange reason... I wonder what that would be.

Many people would like to see that trade resume in both countries; the UK would probably appreciate the resurrection of that manufacturing sector and US companies purchasing such goods would love to be able to (if nothing else) have another source to play off against others and get prices down while still getting quality parts.

To choose another example, it means the US would have a huge new exclusive customer for all this natural gas we can't seem to get rid of because the current administration was dragging its feet on gas export terminals. The UK would get cheaper prices on fuel (they currently import 55% of their natural gas with the rest coming from UK production sources) because we gotta dump this stuff and we'd make a lot of money anyway. It could also remove them from dependence on European (read: Russian!) gas.

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And now we're stuck with him. For. Four. Years.

Not unless there's an assassination. Which is what some voters are hoping for.
 
Americans stood up against socialism and corruption. Trump is President and Republicans control both the Senate and the House. We are set to get good SCOTUS justices instead of regressive socialist hacks. Things are looking up. But the best thing about this, by far, is the pant-shitting from the left and from Europe. Last night Canada's immigration website crashed - I really hope that all the socialist idiots follow through on their threats to move up there if Trump won.

I guess this is what you would call "healing the wounds". I call it throwing salt into them, but if I?m honest I did expect you to be a bad winner. So no surprise here. Even Trump found some positive words today about his opponents, I guess you won't have that said about you.

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And if you really think that it would be a good thing if the college educated, above average earning "socialist idiots" move to canada leaving you alone with all those not so much educated, rural Tump voters ... well ... then I hope you will enjoy your agricultural 3rd world country.
Hating the progressive left and their political positions is one thing, thinking you?d be better off without them as a society and hoping they will leave - means you're pretty far gone.
 
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To choose another example, it means the US would have a huge new exclusive customer for all this natural gas we can't seem to get rid of because the current administration was dragging its feet on gas export terminals.

You mean that stuff resulting from fracking which we really shouldn't be using anyway because we might be fucking up this world beyond repair? So glad there will be a new trade deal about it!

Let the circus begin. Im gonna sit back and watch Trump shit in his pants when he really has to go face to face with China and Russia, who is as much an ally as Brutus was to Caesar.
 
I guess this is what you would call "healing the wounds". I call it throwing salt into them, but if I?m honest I did expect you to be a bad winner. So no surprise here. Even Trump found some positive words today about his opponents, I guess you won't have that said about you.

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And if you really think that it would be a good thing if the college educated, above average earning "socialist idiots" move to canada leaving you alone with all those not so much educated, rural Tump voters ... well ... then I hope you will enjoy your agricultural 3rd world country.
Hating the progressive left and their political positions is one thing, thinking you?d be better off without them as a society and hoping they will leave - means you're pretty far gone.
Hehe it's cute that you think you know what's going on in the US. And for the millionth time, I don't care what anyone here thinks of me.

Oh, and my big victory here isn't Trump winning - I'm celebrating the fact that the evil corrupt bitch lost.
 
You mean that stuff resulting from fracking which we really shouldn't be using anyway because we might be fucking up this world beyond repair? So glad there will be a new trade deal about it!

Let the circus begin. Im gonna sit back and watch Trump shit in his pants when he really has to go face to face with China and Russia, who is as much an ally as Brutus was to Caesar.

No, even without fracking we have huge surpluses of the stuff seeping up in parts of the country. Occasionally some farmer will go out in a field, light a smoke and the damn field explodes.
 
No, even without fracking we have huge surpluses of the stuff seeping up in parts of the country. Occasionally some farmer will go out in a field, light a smoke and the damn field explodes.

[citation needed]

That makes no sense. In a country where wars are started to get the nectar of God oil, because in part it's needed to create electricity, surplus gas can be used in the same way and much cleaner. Wouldn't there be anything left to export.
Of course not being in the Us or Us-citizen completely disqualifies me from making any sound arguments. :bunny:

It's not like any Americans in this forum gave their opinion about Brexit or Europe, ever...
 
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Keep living in your bubble and enjoy your brief moment of perceived empowerment.
Meh, never was a huge fan of Trump. But, as I've been saying, he's infinitely better than the witch. I think this is a step in the right direction, albeit with an imperfect leader. Don't stress out over this too much, you'll be okay.
 
And if you really think that it would be a good thing if the college educated, above average earning "socialist idiots" move to canada leaving you alone with all those not so much educated, rural Tump voters ... well ... then I hope you will enjoy your agricultural 3rd world country.
College educations don't always result in higher incomes, unless it's a degree in something real, unlike gender studies or lesbian dance therapy, as Ben Shapiro likes to say. There have been studies since the primaries that indicate even though Trump's supporters didn't have as much college, they were making more money. Accomplishing more with less, imagine that.

"As compared with most Americans, Trump?s voters are better off. The median household income of a Trump voter so far in the primaries is about $72,000, based on estimates derived from exit polls and Census Bureau data.

That?s lower than the $91,000 median for Kasich voters. But it?s well above the national median household income of about $56,000. It?s also higher than the median income for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders supporters, which is around $61,000 for both."


But anyway, I don't expect anything to change. Ironically Bill Maher made a little speech the other day about how his side have been crying wolf for years, smearing every republican candidate as a racist, a xenophobe, a sexist, etc. Only this time they're not lying! This time they're actually serious! Or more likely they're just crying wolf again, like they always do. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is "deplorable" as always. Nothing changes.

I just hope this is a wake up call for our government, that the people are getting restless and impatient with their corruption and incompetence, and unless they want a revolution on their hands, they better start doing their jobs properly.
 
[...]Trump[...]'s infinitely better than the witch. I think this is a step in the right direction, albeit with an imperfect leader.

If that's true, your country is in extremely deep troubles. Don't rejoice. If that's true, it means the best you can come up with is Trump.
 
2016 USA Presidential Elections

What, a trade deal? If the UK wants one I'm pretty sure they'll get one under a Trump Administration. I can just about guarantee it'll go through faster and easier than CETA. There's not really any reason not to... and TTIP's starting to come apart at the seams anyway.

One of the fun things the Maastricht Treaty ended up doing is killing off a lot of the automotive and aerospace components trade between the US and the UK. Lucas was at one point quietly selling a huge proportion of their production to the US - many Mustangs have Lucas-made fuel injectors; they had Lucas made fog lights and other accessories as options. GM also bought Lucas parts. Most of that trade went poof in the wake of Maastricht for various related reasons; German industry made out like a bandit, capturing no small part of the lost UK business for some strange reason... I wonder what that would be.

Many people would like to see that trade resume in both countries; the UK would probably appreciate the resurrection of that manufacturing sector and US companies purchasing such goods would love to be able to (if nothing else) have another source to play off against others and get prices down while still getting quality parts.

To choose another example, it means the US would have a huge new exclusive customer for all this natural gas we can't seem to get rid of because the current administration was dragging its feet on gas export terminals. The UK would get cheaper prices on fuel (they currently import 55% of their natural gas with the rest coming from UK production sources) because we gotta dump this stuff and we'd make a lot of money anyway. It could also remove them from dependence on European (read: Russian!) gas.

20161018_Centrica_UK_gas_infographic_v12%20(1).jpg

In a simple world with simple solutions that might seem logical.

Unfortunately, though, the world is very complex.

Britain simply might not want such a deal. Why, you ask?

Because the trade with America is but a fraction of the trade Britain does with the EU. Geographically and mentality-wise Britain belongs to Europe, if they like it or not.
Britain won't become an American trade colony or a Trojan Horse to infiltrate the EU common market through the backdoor.

So in order to negotiate a fair deal with the EU about the Brexit (and to keep it!) Britain better keeps a distant position towards a Trump-lead USA. Otherwise if might result in disastrous consequences for Britain.

As of today, America stands rather alone in the world politically. Short of the radical right wingers, absolutely nobody in the rest of the world is a Trump fan.

And if that is to change, Trump better swallows most of the bullshit he and his advisors have said during the campaign and becomes a person that can be taken serious on an international level.

Trump will soon find out that becoming the president is fairly easy.

Being the US president in a globalized world with lots and lots of problems and crises, however, is something much more difficult.

One can only hope he knows that.
 
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