There were some mixed signals about Carlos and Renault during the British Grand Prix. One rumor said TR had put him up on offer at a cool GBP 8 million. Another said he would be in a Renault at Hungary to replace Palmer, though Renault's Team Principal denied it on the grid to NBCSN's Will Buxton.Max's official fanclub is reporting red bull had it with sainz' moaning and has been shown the door. He most likely won't be in the car in Hungary...
Excuses.Kimi delivers when the hardware at hand actually works, were you expecting him to win Azerbaijan from 2 laps down after the restart with I think 10ish laps to go?
Ferrari seemed to lack pace in general in Canada but he did get brake failure.
A puncture knocked him out of 2nd in Silverstone.
In Hungary the team made him stick in 2nd to protect Vettel.
Austria he had some sort of issue and a strategy which didn't work for him at all.
And in Spain Bottas punted him into Verstappen much to the disappointment of a french child.
Maybe Kimi hasn't performed on Seb's level the whole season, his first few races were a bit lacklustre since for whatever reason he couldn't get the car the way he wanted it but I'm sure he's shown to Ferrari that he's got enough pace to warrant keeping him on another year. The gap to Ferrari in the constructors is a hell of a lot smaller then it was last year and Ferrari have shown that a 1/2 finish is achievable without Mercedes screwing up. In fact both teams have the same number of 1/2s and Mercedes are only equal to Ferrari because of Kimi getting a puncture at Silverstone.
What a load of crap, fact is sometimes a driver has worse luck with reliability than the other driver. It's not sabotage it's just the way things go in Formula 1 sometimes. Are you trying to say that these failures didn't happen? Or that Kimi broke the car on purpose? Sebastian also had a blowout at Silverstone do you blame that on him as well? The worse finishing position Kimi has had this year is a 7th place and he had brake failure, the same brake failure that has retired several drivers since the start of the hybrid turbo era so to suggest that Kimi shouldn't have been affected by it is idiotic.Oh look more excuses!
I can't even start believing the suggestion that one driver gets RANDOM FAILURES more than another driver with the same car. Are you suggesting sabotage? In average, and in the long run, mechanical failures will be about the same for each driver.
I just said when Felipe and Kimi were on top of their game. That was 07 and 08. In 2009 F1 went to shit, Ferrari couldn't make the car work.
Don't even know what you're trying to "prove" by comparing their point tallies in very different years of car development.
The 2010 car was a contending for a title with Alonso, yet Massa only brought it to 6th place.
2011 was a brick.
2012 again Alonso contending for the title, Massa 7th.
2013, another brick.
In contrast, from the turbo era forward the car was always getting better and better. No ups and downs like since 2009. That's why Raikkonen's tally is going up and up yet STILL way behind his team mate, be it Alonso or Vettel.
2015 was the closest year in points and this is how it tallies:
Vettel 9 podiums, 3 race wins, 278 points
Rai 3 podiums
2017 has 9 races to go and wow Kimi so many points? Barely half of his teammates', has the same amount of podiums as his teammate has race wins.
It's not the tale of successful #2 drivers no matter how you spin it and that's why Ferrari hasn't been the constructor's champion since 08.
All sportsmen have their peaks and their declines. Being a world champion doesn't mean you'll be world championship-good forever. Kimi was WC 10 years ago. MSC was 7 times WC and he retired when he was Kimi's current age, then came back, I don't think anyone will argue he was on form to be a champion even on a contender car. He knew that and retired for good.Calling a world champion a mediocre #2 :lol:
When did I say he shouldn't be affected? If anything I said exactly the opposite, that in the long run, the amount of mechanical failures for both drivers from a team would end up being more or less the same.What a load of crap, fact is sometimes a driver has worse luck with reliability than the other driver. It's not sabotage it's just the way things go in Formula 1 sometimes. Are you trying to say that these failures didn't happen? Or that Kimi broke the car on purpose? Sebastian also had a blowout at Silverstone do you blame that on him as well? The worse finishing position Kimi has had this year is a 7th place and he had brake failure, the same brake failure that has retired several drivers since the start of the hybrid turbo era so to suggest that Kimi shouldn't have been affected by it is idiotic.
So let me get this straight. Kimi returns to Ferrari, a team he had already been in for many years, in 2014. Vettel joins in 2015. Yet Kimi is the one still adapting and getting used to the new team? Maybe the car is a little more tailored for Seb than Kimi, but damn, their performance is way far apart sometimes.Kimi has shown improvement year after year as he adapted to the car and the team, the opposite was true of Felipe though he may have just given up since he was partnered with Alonso.
Again that was 10 years ago. Age changes sportsmen and they all have a peak and decline. In top competition you can't just rest on your laurels.The last WDC for Ferrari by the way? Kimi and while Massa was quick that year he wasn't exactly a strong driver, in fact I would say that his mistakes that year cost him a chance at the championship.
Hey guess what McLaren had that year and would have earned them the WCC? Two strong driversThe only reason they won the constructors that year is because McLaren was DSQed, by you're reasoning they should've glided into the 2006 constructors championship but they lost it by 5 points, 5 points.
I give credit where credit's due. Kimi was a great driver and he was on his game in his last years with McLaren and the first seasons with Ferrari (didn't need that so called "getting used to the new team and car for 4 years" back then, it seems). Then he went away from F1 to everyone's surprise and when he came back it seemed he was gonna go for blood, 3rd with that Lotus, damn. But since then he's been hit and miss, very inconsistent, and as I said before, the guy is not getting younger.I'll bet that if Ferrari wins the constructors this year you'll roll your eyes and say that Vettel won it on his own.