BRexit : Shall UK stay in EU or go now?

jack_christie

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2006
Messages
4,349
Last edited:

jack_christie

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2006
Messages
4,349
This is from a source close to the rebel Tories.

Tonight’s decisive result is the first step in a process to avert an undemocratic and damaging no deal. No 10 have responded by removing the whip from two former chancellors, a former lord chancellor and Winston Churchill’s grandson. What has has happened to the Conservative party?
Mark Spencer, the chief whip, has been ringing the Tory rebels telling them they are having the whip withdrawn, we’ve been told. Philip Hammond, the former chancellor, has already had the call. As of now, he is technically no longer a Conservative MP.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/03/commons-showdown-looms-in-battle-over-no-deal-brexit-live
 

jack_christie

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2006
Messages
4,349
MPs back bill aimed at blocking no deal
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49580185

Boris Johnson's call for general election rejected by MPs
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49584907

The no deal blocking bill heads to the House of Lords on Thursday. If it passes there, I think the Queen has to approve when Boris brings it to her!

An amendment led by Labour’s Stephen Kinnock, which would resurrect Theresa May’s three times-rejected Brexit plan as a possible focus for any extension ....passed by default.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/commons-chaos-is-no-deal-blocked-is-an-election-happening

If the opposition get their way, its likely a no deal will be blocked, possible care taker PM installed to get extension to Jan 31st 2020 and election in November.

Ken Clarke tells MPs: 'I do think the Prime Minister has a tremendous skill in keeping a straight face whilst he's being so disingenuous'.
 

jack_christie

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2006
Messages
4,349
Nicholas Soames pays tribute to Boris Johnson, "whose serial disloyalty has been such an inspiration"
 

ahpadt

Forum Addict
DONOR
Joined
May 7, 2006
Messages
9,833
Location
London
Ken Clarke's highly concentrated concrete arguments are so refreshing when listening to all the other lying bullshit coming from BoJo and co.
 

mpicco

Forum Addict
Joined
Jun 29, 2009
Messages
5,388
Location
Portugal
Car(s)
R19
What exactly happened to the 21 MPs that voted against their party? Are they sacked? Are they no longer part of the party? What happens to their places as MPs, other more loyal people from within the party will replace them?
 

calvinhobbes

Forum Addict
DONOR
Joined
Jul 12, 2010
Messages
5,624
Location
near Cologne
What exactly happened to the 21 MPs that voted against their party?
This is as far as I know:

Are they sacked?
No. They keep their seats until they resign as MPs or until the next election.

Are they no longer part of the party?
Yes. Which is astonishing to me because expelling someone from a German party is a complicated affair and you cannot do it this quickly.

What happens to their places as MPs, other more loyal people from within the party will replace them?
Since they were elected personally, the party cannot simply replace them. What it can do is "remove the whip", i.e. exclude them from the parliamentary group. They stay in the House of Commons (see above) and will almost certainly not be Conservative candidates in the next election, whenever that might be.
 

MWF

Now needs wood
Joined
May 29, 2008
Messages
27,816
Location
MWF HQ, Ukadia
Car(s)
MX-5 1.8i Indiana SE, update pending
Only PM to lose their first Commons vote was Pitt the Younger in 1793. BoJo has lost THREE in a little over 24 hours! :LOL:

The shortest serving was George Canning at 119 days, but that was only because he died. Still reckon Boris has more than a fighting chance of taking that record as well if the election takes place early in November and the Tories get hammered at the Polls.

And over 200k people have registered to vote in the last 72 hours, with more than half of them aged 18-35. Good news because younger people tend in general to be more left wing and pro-Remain.
 

jack_christie

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2006
Messages
4,349
Amber Rudd quits Cabinet blaming Brexit inaction

The ex-work and pensions secretary said the government was having no "formal negotiations" with the EU about a new Brexit deal, only "conversations".
Instead, 80-90% of its time was spent preparing for an "inferior" no-deal option, she said.

"However I no longer believe leaving with a deal is the government's main objective."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49623737



Philip Hammond
I’m afraid the Conservative Party has been taken over by unelected advisors, entryists and usurpers who are trying to turn it from a broad church into an extreme right-wing faction. Sadly, it is not the party I joined.
 

jack_christie

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2006
Messages
4,349
Could MPs take the PM to court to force Brexit delay?

Amber Rudd quits Boris Johnson’s cabinet over no-deal Brexit fears
 

jack_christie

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2006
Messages
4,349
MPs pass emergency debate motion

House of Commons
Parliament

The government is defeated on Dominic Grieve’s humble address, which calls on ministers to publish corrrespondence over suspending Parliament, and no-deal Brexit planning papers.

The vote passes by 311 to 302 - a majority of nine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-49636684

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/09/brexit-latest-news-eu-no-deal-bill-royal-assent-boris-johnson-parliament-politics-live

live
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/912439c0-627c-4f85-a4ba-14c533a880dd


Parliament suspension to go ahead later
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49630094
 
Last edited:

jack_christie

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2006
Messages
4,349
Motion passed to force BoJo to honour rule of law.

Motion calling on government to comply with no-deal law

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn closes the debate by saying his party will support an early general election "when the government has made it clear they will carry out the law", asking it to extend the Brexit deadline to prevent no-deal.

The motion calling on the government to comply with legislation designed to prevent a no-deal Brexit is passed without a vote.
 

jack_christie

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2006
Messages
4,349
John Bercow to resign as Commons speaker

The Speaker has ensured that his replacement will be elected by the current ‘Remainer’ parliament.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bercow-brexit-boris-johnson-parliament-speaker-resign-commons-a9097981.html

Moment FURIOUS JOHN BERCOW erupts at Brexiteer MP in extraordinary attack - 'Like it lump it!'

14 of the best John Bercow shouting memes
https://www.indy100.com/article/john-bercow-memes-music-order-jeremy-corbyn-commons-video-8847181
 
Last edited:
Top