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ladora

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I thought this was a pretty good read:

June 17, 2009
For Media Information Purposes - No Regulatory Value

Ed Gorman

The FIA and Fota this week resemble a married couple going through their final days together before splitting irrevocably and handing their affairs and their financial and emotional futures to their lawyers. At the moment the kitchen china is being thrown around. (As in all divorces, this will be very bad for the children and could affect their development and psychological state for years). Just to take this analogy a little further, the nextdoor neighbour, from whom the family rent the place, has always been good at calming disputes (coming over for a BBQ, telling a few jokes and offering advice and that sort of thing) but on this occasion even he seems at a loss...

I digress. What we can see is two groups of people arguing about two different things. On the face of it the dispute is about cost-cutting and the FIA still seems to think that that is the case. The reality, however, is that Fota's problem is Max. Fota do not want to say so publicly but my impression is that he is their real sticking point. They do not want to do business with him, they don't trust him, they don't like his dictatorial style, they have had enough of his version of the FIA and his governance of the sport.

I have rehearsed this all before and apologies for the repetitive nature of it but the quarrel has not changed much for several weeks, so much so that my own newspaper has lost interest in it until progress - of whatever sort - is made. (It is interesting, that...newspapers have plenty of space for sport. People hitting balls and running around. They do not have endless capacity for mud-slinging about the rules). The big problem is that Fota cannot get rid of Max (because, as we have said, he is elected by people who have nothing to do with Formula One) so the only way they can go racing without him is to start their own series.

I was intrigued by the FIA's own briefing on the affair issued to the press on Tuesday - one of those "For Media Information Purposes - No Regulatory Value" things. The idea was to set out the FIA's position and its own view of the essence of the quarrel and how it has progressed. Predictably Luca di Montezemolo comes out of it badly (in the FIA's view, that is). Under the heading "The FIA and FOTA", the document deals with all the issues apart from the main one. There are sub-heads on "Setting the record straight", "Background", "Technology", "Two sets of Rules", "Intrusiveness" and so on. There is no sub-head entitled "Max Mosley" or "The FIA president". The nearest it gets to dealing with the substantive issue is under the heading "Governance" when the FIA - I would imagine it was written by Max and Richard Woods - offers: "Formula One needs a strong and impartial regulator because of the nature of the sport, the high stakes and the competitors - people who want to win (literally) at any cost." And that's it...

Apart from one other sentence right at the beginning which is never picked up again. Almost as if someone saw through it all and then backed away or cast it out of their mind. Here we go, paragraph one: "What is this dispute really all about?" the FIA asks. "Is it about an attempt by some teams to take over the commercial rights to Formula One? Or to take the regulatory function away from the FIA? Or even just a clash of personalities? It has elements of all of these..." Touched on but not developed...

Imagine if Max was a statesman and he was big enough to see that he had become more of a problem than problem-solver for the sport. He could stand down in the interests of the sport (everyone loves doing things in the interests of the sport) and he could also leave, as a legacy, a new, more democratic, structure by which Formula One is administered by the FIA. How about, for example, a Formula One steering group made up of representatives from teams, the commercial rights holder and the FIA but on which the president has no direct involvement? Something like that...

Fota are not without blame in this. Individually weak, they are strong as a unit. They have been frightened of saying what their problem is and, as result, there has been a lot of confusion in the representation of their case in the media. As we get closer to Armageddon, they have a strong hand to play. They can argue that Max has brought the sport to its knees, they can argue that they want to play but they are only being reasonable in their demands. And they can appeal to the public on the issue of drivers who are, by far and away, the most important part of Formula One as far as ordinary followers of the sport are concerned. How can the regulator be doing a good job if it has contrived to end up with a situation in which almost all the top drivers in Formula One will no longer be taking part? Among them will be two fomer world champions in Kimi Raikkonen and Fernando Alonso, one reigning world champion in Lewis Hamilton and one (very likely) future world champion in Jenson Button. There are also some other big favourites among the outcasts - Felipe Massa, Robert Kubica, Rubens Barrichello. Millions, upon millions of people follow these heroes around the globe and most of them don't give a fig for the likes of Max or Fota.
Source: http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2009/06/for-media-information-purposes-no-regulatory-value.html
 

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76266

Mosley offers deal but deadline stands

By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, June 17th 2009, 12:56 GMT

FIA president Max Mosley says there will be no backing down on his insistence that Formula 1 teams lift the conditions attached to their entries within 48 hours, but has hinted that a compromise could now be on the cards.

Following a letter from the Formula One Teams' Association to Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone, viewed as a last ditch effort to avert teams walking away from the sport, the FIA laid out the terms by which it would accept a deal.

Although rejecting suggestions that the deadline for the matter be delayed from this Friday to July 1, and that standard engine supplier Cosworth be forced to detune its engines, the FIA says it would be willing to talk about governance changes and revisions to the cost cap.

In the letter, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT, Mosley said there was no chance of a revised Concorde Agreement being sorted before Friday - so the 1998 version would have to be used as an interim.

"If we start to modify the governance provisions of the 1998 Concorde Agreement, a lengthy discussion will begin," he wrote. "There is no time left for this because we must answer the remaining applicants for 2010 no later than Friday."

He added: "Our proposal is therefore that all parties agree to accept the 1998 governance provisions by means of an exchange of letters. We can then negotiate a new 2009 Concorde Agreement under the protection of the 1998 arrangement.

"After all, we lived with these for ten years; a few more weeks or months should not cause any difficulty."

Regarding FOTA?s suggestions that independent accountants be appointed to oversee compliance with a budget cap, Mosley said that such an idea had already been suggested by the governing body.

Furthermore, he wants the teams to accept the ?40 million limit for now, prior to further discussions that could see it changed in the next few weeks.

"A fundamental problem with the FOTA proposal was the absence of a clear figure," wrote Mosley. "The teams need to know what the constraints are, so do we.

"We therefore propose that you accept the 2010 rules, as published, which we agreed with you last year. If necessary, these can be revised with the above governance procedures in due course."

Mosley confirmed that there would be no two-tier regulations in 2010, which had been one of the biggest complaints of FOTA.

However, he said that Cosworth would be allowed to run to 2006 regulations because it had "neither the time nor the resources to return for 2010."

And in a bid to get the matter sorted in the next day or so, Mosley said he would write to the teams to ask them to accept the FIA?s offer so they could drop the conditions attached to their entries before Friday's deadline.

"We will shortly send a letter for signature to each team. If signed and returned, the letter will make the above proposals legally binding and the relevant team's entry unconditional," he said.


Elements that stand out...

Furthermore, he wants the teams to accept the ?40 million limit for now, prior to further discussions that could see it changed in the next few weeks.
So he's giving the teams a "take it or leave it" offer on the budget cap. And furthermore, the statement which ends the article is pretty conclusive to his refusal to listen to any proposals from the teams, which he must have probably heard yet chose to ignore and claim they never existed...

Spanky said:
We will shortly send a letter for signature to each team. If signed and returned, the letter will make the above proposals legally binding and the relevant team's entry unconditional.
He's not giving the teams that don't agree with the rules any option but to enter under those rules, with no say in potentially changing those rules. He's been standing on this pedestal of "It's my way or the highway" for too long now.

And also the hypocrisy...

Mosley confirmed that there would be no two-tier regulations in 2010, which had been one of the biggest complaints of FOTA.

However, he said that Cosworth would be allowed to run to 2006 regulations because it had "neither the time nor the resources to return for 2010."
That's utter BS. It takes just about 3-4 months to adjust an engine to the current regs for a "small" engine builder like Cosworth, if a big team like Renault had about a month or so to adjust its engine to equalize it with the others.

It might fade into the woodwork, though, as the 2006 Cosworth V8's record of reliability was pretty appaling. However, it will have a definite power advantage if it runs to 2006 regs, since that engine cracked 20k rpm very early in 2006. :|
 

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"We therefore propose that you accept the 2010 rules, as published, which we agreed with you last year. If necessary, these can be revised with the above governance procedures in due course."
Mosley is still trying to bait the teams to enter the 2010 season.
 

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Nothing changed. Teams have the only option to aply for 2010 under FIA-proposed rules, then try to work out the new rulebook with 3 new teams - exactly the same proposal as two weeks ago.

FIA "Replacement Team" campound, however is in shambles. Three new teams, N.tech, Lola, Brabham, Austrian team are out, so FIA won't fill the 20 car grid.
 

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FIA president Max Mosley has informed teams of the package of rules that he is willing to accept for next year, AUTOSPORT has learned, as a final push is made by the governing body to end the standoff over entries to the 2010 championship.

The eight members of the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) have until Friday to lift the conditions attached to their entries - and efforts are increasing on both sides to try and reach a settlement.

After a day of further letters between motor racing's governing body and FOTA, Mosley has as promised laid out the terms by which he wants the teams to sign up. And although there had been fears of a total breakdown in discussions between the two parties, Mosley has informed FOTA that he is willing to make some movement on the question of governance in the sport.

He has told teams that he is prepared to discuss the FIA's International Court of Appeal, and also remove the controversial Appendix 5 to the 2010 Sporting Regulations. This latter element had angered teams, who feared that it gave the governing body carte blanche to impose whatever rules they wanted.

Mosley also said that he was willing to change some of the technical regulations for 2010. If the teams agree, the moveable wing rules will remain as they were for 2009, 4WD cars will not be allowed, tyre warmers will continue and the engine rules will remain as they are for this year - except customer Cosworth units will be allowed to run unrestricted. Also gearbox rules will remain as they are for 2009, as will testing limitations.

Mosley also made it clear that he would be willing to accept a 100 million Euros cost cap limit for next year, providing that it was reduced to 45 million Euros for 2011. This was the same figure that was outlined in a letter sent to FOTA president Luca di Montezemolo following the team meeting in Monaco.

Outline plans were also detailed for how the budget cap would be policed with 'self-reporting of compliance using a reputable auditor' used. Mosley also confirmed that breaches of the budget cap rules would not result in on-track sanctions, but would instead be 'financial against a pre-agreed formula.'

FOTA now has 48 hours to to decide whether to accept the terms and sign up for F1, or decide to stand firm and risk being left off the grid.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76269
 

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Outline plans were also detailed for how the budget cap would be policed with 'self-reporting of compliance using a reputable auditor' used. Mosley also confirmed that breaches of the budget cap rules would not result in on-track sanctions, but would instead be 'financial against a pre-agreed formula.'

Self-policed budget cap and sanctions mean only a fine... which means that the budget cap is, frankly, inexistent.
 

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Self-policed budget cap and sanctions mean only a fine... which means that the budget cap is, frankly, inexistent.
So the teams have no excuse to not sign up.
It really depends on how harsh the penalties for breaking the cap will be. If they are fined the amount they break it by, it will be a major deterrent.
 

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Lola withdraws 2010 entry

Does that mean they want to take part in GP1 or whatever the new championship might be called or simply cant come up with funds?
 

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I'm guessing they are not interested in entering F1 if the big manufacturers leave, and of course since their entry was turned down they can only get in if the big teams leave. And I'd imagine they are smarting a fair bit about manor being picked instead of them as well.
 

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I wonder wether there will be a next round of the championship?

I think I'm resigned to the fact there will be F1 next year... but not as we know it.
 

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Probably so Max can have a bit more people on his side
 

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Cosworth to run without limit
18 June 2009

Engines entered by Cosworth next year will not feature limited rev amounts, according to Max Mosley. Included in Mosley's letter to the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) on Wednesday the FIA president stated that, due to a lack of development time, the engine manufacturer would be able to run its units without restrictions.

With the debutant Campos, Manor and USF1 teams all due to be powered by Cosworth engines next year, six of the 26 cars on the starting grid will contain the powerplants. With all current engines in the field limited to 18,000 revolutions per minute, the FIA's letter to teams on Wednesday explained the reasoning behind the decision:

'As explained (and we thought agreed) at the 11 June meeting, the Cosworth has to be allowed to run without limitation in 2010 (ie. the 2006 duty cycle for a 2006 engine), because Cosworth have neither the time nor the resources to retune for 2010. Any engineer will confirm that this will not give the relevant teams any competitive advantage whatsoever.'
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/06/18/cosworth-to-run-without-limit/

That's the final straw...
 

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76266

That's utter BS. It takes just about 3-4 months to adjust an engine to the current regs for a "small" engine builder like Cosworth, if a big team like Renault had about a month or so to adjust its engine to equalize it with the others.

It might fade into the woodwork, though, as the 2006 Cosworth V8's record of reliability was pretty appaling. However, it will have a definite power advantage if it runs to 2006 regs, since that engine cracked 20k rpm very early in 2006. :|
Sorry, beat you to it by about a day.
 

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Saw that, but hadn't understood that 2006 regs meant NO LIMIT...that's two tier right there, no matter what the guy says...
 

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So we WILL have a two tiered, two rule set championship, despite Max's contrary claims. It's just a little more stealthy now.

Well done Max. If you haven't figured out yet why everyone hates you, there's no hope for you as a human being.
 

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Teams to launch breakaway series

By jonathan noble Thursday, June 18th 2009, 22:43 GMT

The Formula One Teams' Association announced on Thursday night that it is setting up a breakaway championship.

Following a four hour meeting at Renault's Enstone factory, the eight members of FOTA said it had grown frustrated with the FIA's stance against it and that it had no option but to create its own championship.

"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship," said a statement.

"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new Championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners. This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.

"The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series."

More to follow.

Source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76292
 

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This is going to be the start of a very interesting day...

I'm sure as hell going to treasure every single second of every race weekend from now until the last race. :(
 
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