Koenigsegg underestimated?

BTW, where do you guys get the info from about what cars they will test in the future? Is it true that the new CCR will be on track, or are you guys just speculating?
 
i only have one thing to say about the koenigsegg. and that is, i am glad it is no longer the fastest road car in the world! it beat the mclaren f1 by what? 1 mph? 1 mph is nothing! 1 mph can be gained by eating less donuts! that is why for some time back there, i refused to acknowledge that something called a koenigsegg is the fastest car. how dare those bunch of suites from sweden take the mclaren's thunder away!

the bugatti however, does have pedigree and history! that's what makes it worthy of taking the crown from the mclaren f1. :thumbsup:
 
the CCR beat the F1 by 10,5MPH .. and thats on the NARDO circuit..
they still havent testet the REAL top speed (VW refuse to lett them use there circuit)
infact .. the CCR is still the fastes production car in the world .. VW have not done real toppspeed tests.. and the CCR might never be beaten by the Bugatti ..
the only people that clame that the veyron is faster is .. VW own people..
Saleen clame it to.. but they have done speed test with other people doring the figurs.. and it was pathetic :p

NEVER trust the maker.. the CCR has been confirmd as the fastes by 2 diffrent testing groups
the Veyron only by VW own people..
and the Saleen .. just a yanks dream..

And the new CCR is even faster .. if the currant CCR can do 242 on the nardo circut.. i wonder what the new one can do on a better circuit ..
(first i want to se what the current CCR can do on a better circuit/Bonneville)
 
The Koenigsegg was given a slower time than it performed when they tested it back in series 2, Pagani apparantly made a deal with Top Gear... anyway...
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I also hear Pagani had a hand in the JFK assassination...

The main reason I dislike Koenigsegg is that the company continues to make the same mistake that so many supercar manufactuers do and exaggurate their figures. Koenigsegg said that the CC8 would easily be able to better the Mclaren F1. The fact that it took about 150hp more to do so means that they were guilty of either mendacity or stupidity.
 
POWERRR!! said:
i only have one thing to say about the koenigsegg. and that is, i am glad it is no longer the fastest road car in the world! it beat the mclaren f1 by what? 1 mph? 1 mph is nothing! 1 mph can be gained by eating less donuts! that is why for some time back there, i refused to acknowledge that something called a koenigsegg is the fastest car. how dare those bunch of suites from sweden take the mclaren's thunder away!

the bugatti however, does have pedigree and history! that's what makes it worthy of taking the crown from the mclaren f1. :thumbsup:
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Yes but remember what it takes to manufacture cars like these, both in terms of finance and engineering capability. The McLaren F1 is a remarkable achievement even by todays standards, so to have a car which can match it, let alone beat it, is a worthwhile achievement in itself.
 
the CC8S never had a toppspeed run so we will never know it real toppspeed..
(unless someone who owns one does it..)


ohh by the way .. is it the history of koenigsegg you all miss?
the koenigsegg was like all grate cars the dream of one man ..
who wanted to build the car from the day he saw the movie "Fl?klypa Grand Prix" (Pinchcliffe Grand Prix) a norwegian puppetmovie wiki-link
he was 8years old at the time.. only 14years later he started Koenigsegg Automotive AB.
(think about it.. 22years old and he starts making a fucking hypercar with his own money)
he and a small team worked for 10 year untill the CCR came out and made his childhood dream come true ..

how many supercar makers can say that today?
most supercars today are made by faceless Corporation with half of the price beeing just to have the badge on it..
just look at porsche .. there now making fucking SUVs!

and there is nothing left of old bugatti .. the only thing that is left is the name .. pedigree or just good marketing
 
LoneWolf said:
Some valid points. But remember that it's a supercar, and reliability isn't one of the strong points in this category. I mean, the Italians are world leaders in terms of supercars, and I don't the word 'reliability' appears in the Italian dictionary!
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Everything post 355, has been pretty good for reliability.


oliB said:
Well, if you consider 2,5 seconds to 62mph and 7.3 seconds to 124 slow, then yes. :p

Furthermore, the Veyron has 7 gears so there's less need for tall gearing. Even if there would be a problem, the Veyron would have a lot of torque to compensate that.
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Also weighs over 2 Tonnes wet, so I doubt its going to be blisteringly fast when it needs to change direction! 4wd or no 4wd theres still too much lag by all accounts!

Kebab gud said:
PS: i also heard that Cristian von Koenigsegg didnt want Top gear to test the CCR untill he was ready.. (rumor) if that is true .. then he wants the track record .. he always gets what he wants.. :p
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I can believe that rumour, though I would question any factory that said "We'll sell you a 800K Euro car, but only optimise the Press Car and make that one reliable" :roll: That bollocks about owners understanding there will be problems is nonsense. Especially when every other supercar availiable is 20 times more reliable

Kebab gud said:
NEVER trust the maker.. the CCR has been confirmd as the fastes by 2 diffrent testing groups
the Veyron only by VW own people..
and the Saleen .. just a yanks dream..
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Even Porsche lied about the Carrera GT ring time, they just estimated it! But when I said this may be the case with the Veyron not being timed by NON Germans, on another thread I got sworn at by zee Germans, who claimed I was wrong and should accept whatever their Manufacturers say as Gospel. And I should stop thinking about WW2 even though I never mentioned it :lol:
 
when you buy a koenigsegg .. you buy into a prosjekt..

the koenigseggs are in constant development.. and thats why i hate the fifth gear test .. it was (like they say) a early CCR .. and the owner was selling it to buy a new one...
its just so stupid "oh the handling is bad .. oh oh oh .. oh by the way .. if you buy a new CCR it will not be like this.."
the only way to test a CCR it to test the lastone made at the time of the test :p

and they do not "optimes" there presscars.. the cars the press tests are customercars..
the black CC8S jeremy tested was the same car that did the gumball in 2003 (?)
 
Also weighs over 2 Tonnes wet, so I doubt its going to be blisteringly fast when it needs to change direction! 4wd or no 4wd theres still too much lag by all accounts!
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Uh, no it doesn't? It weighs 1.88tonnes. Very clever 4WD and the weight pressing down on the tyres would give a lot of grip, even though it does have 1001HP.
 
maximus said:
Yeah right. The same Gumball car that broke down every 2 seconds?
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In the car's defence, the guy driving it was a complete douchebag.
 
Koenigsegg themselves admitted that their cars aren't finished products. I would personally want a car that is already honed to perfection by the best engineers in the business. I don't want to do it myself or take part in the development process. If that was the case, I'd build my own car from scratch.

From the publicity I've seen, Koenigsegg is overdoing the "fastest car in the world" marketing. I'd rather have a car like a Zonda, Enzo, or Carrera GT that is an overall great car. Even the McLaren F1 wasn't built for pure speed--it just ended up with a 230+mph top speed.

I personally think Koenigsegg had their priorities wrong in their engineering.
 
Evilwakka said:
Also weighs over 2 Tonnes wet, so I doubt its going to be blisteringly fast when it needs to change direction! 4wd or no 4wd theres still too much lag by all accounts!
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Uh, no it doesn't? It weighs 1.88tonnes. Very clever 4WD and the weight pressing down on the tyres would give a lot of grip, even though it does have 1001HP.
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Fanboy?

The Bugatti Veyron weights 1.88 tonnes dry! With all fluid in, it weights in at about 2.1 tonne. Thats like having one Koenigsegg on each axle. Or and Ariel Atom on each wheel.
 
1175kg

just like vanmould said, about half of the veyron's
 
EVO Magazine said:
A front/rear balance of 45/55 sounds pretty good, but according to Dr Schreiber the quoted 1888 kg kerb weight is in fact a dry weight. To get a truer figure you need to allow 100 liters of fuel, 40 litres of water for engine cooling, 15 litres of water for the twin chargecooler circuit, 20 litres of engine oil, a further 22litres for the gearbox and another 15 litres litres for hydralics, brakes, etc. That puts the weight closer to 2100 kg. Dr Schreiber admits the figure was alot higher(!) but they've taken nearly 200 kg out of the car since 2003. Still, there's 1155kg over the rear axle, and that over 13 kg more than the total kerb weight of a McLaren F1.
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Add about 100 kg of driver to that and it's not very far from twice the weight of a Koenigsegg (1175 kg for the CC8S, 1180 kg for the CCR) and it's easily more that four Atoms.

Plus I think VAG is cheating. They're just about the only bloody manufacturer on the planet who can afford to sell a car like that for a 6th of its production cost. The only reason that the Veyron exists is that VAG want's to be absolutely best to every price, killing off honest and hard working contractor such as Christian von Koenigsegg.
 
Nogger said:
The Koenigsegg is avalible in a setup called "Ring Domination". How cool is that!?
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This sounds like the title of a porn movie... :huh:
 
I'm sure future Koenigsegg cars will be in the show in the future. It is simply something not to be ignored.

But if some have mental problems over Koenigsegg its not Koenigsegg's problem. Not everybody likes everything but facts are facts.

And plz try to get over that Mclaren car, its not even been sold for ages and its not designed for latest EURO emissions.
 
vanMould said:
Add about 100 kg of driver to that and it's not very far from twice the weight of a Koenigsegg (1175 kg for the CC8S, 1180 kg for the CCR) and it's easily more that four Atoms.

Plus I think VAG is cheating. They're just about the only bloody manufacturer on the planet who can afford to sell a car like that for a 6th of its production cost. The only reason that the Veyron exists is that VAG want's to be absolutely best to every price, killing off honest and hard working contractor such as Christian von Koenigsegg.
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What the hell are you talking about? The Veyron costs double what a Koenigsegg and only a few will be made. It will not threaten your precious car!
 
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