Outrage about Hungarian child porn law

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From yesterday's paper (De Gelderlander Februari 21):

OUTRAGE ABOUT CHILD PORN LAW

Filming of children above 14 years of age legal in Hungary

By our correspondent Runa Hellinga

BUDAPEST-Hungarian opposition parties are outraged about a proposition to legalize the filming of children age 14 and older having sex. The proposition is about children who consent to the recordings. The pornographic recordings should also be strictly for personal use only. But according to critics the propositions will open the door to the production of child porn.
The proposed law is an effect of the adaptation of Hungarian law to EU-regulations. These demand a stricter policy towards child porn. According to the current law the production of child porn is a misdemeanor. Under the new law it will be punishable by 3 to 8 years in jail.
the Hungarian Free Democrats, the smallest liberal government partner, feared that the new law might lead to jailtime for children making recordings on their mobile phone for fun. A member of the Chamber: "We have to handle the adults who abuse children."
According to minister Petr?nie recordings would be allowed, on condition that the child has agreed to them. He believes that if children of age 14 and up can legally have sex, they can also agree or disagree with the recording.
Three letter acronym: WTF?
 

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IIRC some 15 yo girl was imprisoned for child abuse,
because she filmed HERSELF and distributed it on the internet.

I bet there are hundreds of teenagers who make sex tapes,
and they'd also be imprisoned for basically doing something which
is stupid and immoral, but in no way justifies throwing them into
prison and making them into hardened criminals, gang rape victims etc.
 

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Whoever is putting these kids in jail is a bunch of idiots...couselling!! Work with their school, or something...jesus...
 

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I bet there are hundreds of teenagers who make sex tapes,
and they'd also be imprisoned for basically doing something which
is stupid and immoral, but in no way justifies throwing them into
prison and making them into hardened criminals, gang rape victims etc.
Actually, what's immoral is up to every person, so that's wrong. But stupid, yeah.

What I despise is when a couple is in love, they have sex, the girl is 15, the boy 16, and the boy gets a verdict as an abuser. That's really stupid, and it's happened in the past, even though the girl didn't wish it.
 

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I meant "moral" as in "socially acceptable behaviour",
which means that the kids participating in homemade porn
could be frowned upon by their parents, neighbours, relatives, teachers etc.
but, all in all, it's not something tragic and irreversible.

I mean, the people's opinion on sex constantly changes,
from the time of the Roman Empire, to Medieval times,
from the uptight 50's to the sexual revolution in the 60's.

It's not some rule carved in stone, and it's stupid to
put kids in prison because they did something that
didn't really hurt anyone.
 

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If this was in britain then they would'nt be allowed to have sex anyway.
This seems very much like an issue which the EU steps in and says that there should be a universal law about it.
 

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If the law were to be enforced exactly as they describe it would be fine. But, it wont. If some stupid 14 year olds record porno of themselves and it gets onto the internet it's still kiddie porn. No matter whether they consent or not.

Looks like the Hungarians didn't put much thought into this.
 

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If this was in britain then they would'nt be allowed to have sex anyway.
This seems very much like an issue which the EU steps in and says that there should be a universal law about it.
Criminal matter, not civil. The EU cannot make laws on this, only give guidelines to how the law should be.
 

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Parent that would permit this make me want to vomit blood and bile for a week.
 

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Yes, the reason why kids smoke pot is because it's so aproved by parents.
 

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That's insane.
 

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That's nutty. We have an age gap limit, so before you're 15(in this state, it's different from state to state)you can have sex with people up to 4 years older, but anyone older than that can be charged with some form of sexual assault, and from the time between 15 and 17 the gap is 10 years, and once you turn 17 you're deemed old enough to make your own decision.
18-3-402(1) Any actor who knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetration on a victim commits sexual assault if: (d) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is less than fifteen years of age and the actor is at least four years older than the victim; or (e) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is at least fifteen years of age but less than seventeen years of age and the actor is at least ten years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim;
 

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Hungarian opposition parties are outraged about a proposition to legalize the filming of children age 14 and older having sex.

Hoooooright! Giggity Giggity Giggity.
 

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That's nutty. We have an age gap limit, so before you're 15(in this state, it's different from state to state)you can have sex with people up to 4 years older, but anyone older than that can be charged with some form of sexual assault, and from the time between 15 and 17 the gap is 10 years, and once you turn 17 you're deemed old enough to make your own decision.
That's insane.
It is to cut down on abortions for under 17's and abortions in general. Before 15 it will do damage to a person to have a baby.
 

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so two 15 year olds have sex, how the hell do you punish that? arrest them? that's a fucked law, and I doubt it works. No matter who tells kids sex is bad and they should wait, whatever, a lot of kids won't.
 

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It is to cut down on abortions for under 17's and abortions in general. Before 15 it will do damage to a person to have a baby.
That's individual, and you know it. That might be just as true for a 17yo girl. Actually, the physical implications aren't that severe, what's bad is the fact that we allow our kids to grow up, in a soft society. And therefore, it's made into a very hard thing to do psychologicly.

And I actually think this is a good development. Having kids early is never good, even though it may be no special physical problem.

But psychologicly, the story ends quite differently.
 
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