Outrage about Hungarian child porn law

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I know quite a few mothers who had kids at a young age, including 16, and none of them are all fucked up phyiscally or mentally. I really think it all depends on the support structure at home. if your family treats you like dirt because you got pregnant of course you'll be all fucked up, but the families i know all sort of kicked in and went with the flow and things are working out fine. of course it's not an ideal situation, but not necessarily a bad one.
 

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I think that complements my oppinions, good points.
 

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Gypsies have a lot of kids. By the time their women are 14 they have at least a few kids. By the time they're 30-35, they have 10 or 15 kids.
They are also dirt-poor as a rule.

A few Gypsy families I know of, who didn't subscribe to those traditional practices
of their people, but actually got proper jobs, and waited to have less kids in their 20's
live like any other regular middle-class family.
 

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If they're middle class and have proper jobs, how are they gypsies?
"Gypsy" as in the "Rroma" nationality.

I didn't know Gypsy has a different meaning.
The word "Gypsy" came into use in Europe
in medieval times, when Europeans thought
the Rroma nomad newcomers came from Egypt (Aegiptus) hence Aegipsi.
 

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I thought gypsy was like a travelling person selling stolen good and trinkets or ripping people off with fortunes and such.

you know, like Snatch.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ones in Snatch
are "Travellers", a sort of group which
appeared in medieval times in Ireland,
descending from farmers who lost all land.

The Gypsies or Rroma are descendants of
lowest castes, "untouchables" from India
who migrated out of India in the 5th and 6th century AD.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ones in Snatch
are "Travellers", a sort of group which
appeared in medieval times in Ireland,
descending from farmers who lost all land.

The Gypsies or Rroma are descendants of
lowest castes, "untouchables" from India
who migrated out of India in the 5th and 6th century AD.
oh shit I guess they're called pikeys in the movie.
 

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I know quite a few mothers who had kids at a young age, including 16, and none of them are all fucked up phyiscally or mentally. I really think it all depends on the support structure at home. if your family treats you like dirt because you got pregnant of course you'll be all fucked up, but the families i know all sort of kicked in and went with the flow and things are working out fine. of course it's not an ideal situation, but not necessarily a bad one.
16 is seen as the age when a women can have a baby and recover. At 14 it will damage a person and that is why the limit is in place. To have a baby at 16 is legal.
 

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pardon my wording, but if they have a baby at 16, then they gave birth before then, and yet are still ok. it's a blanket generalization, and a useless law that has no point. honestly, how are you going to enforce that shit? arrest kids for fucking?
 

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pardon my wording, but if they have a baby at 16, then they gave birth before then, and yet are still ok. it's a blanket generalization, and a useless law that has no point. honestly, how are you going to enforce that shit? arrest kids for fucking?
Oh i see, you meant 16 year olds taking care of kids.

Its generally not the metal side of things, it does not show it on teenpregnancy programmes but it really can fuck a 14 year old up to have a baby when shes not ready to have one.

Its the male who gets arrested especially if he is over 16. Its described as rape but really which is the judge gonna give a harsher sentence. A 15 year old having some fun in the back of a volvo with his girlfriend :hump: or a rapist who has raped a 20 year old in a back street. Serial young sex won't get you a life sentence :lol:
 

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Its the male who gets arrested especially if he is over 16. Its described as rape but really which is the judge gonna give a harsher sentence. A 15 year old having some fun in the back of a volvo with his girlfriend :hump: or a rapist who has raped a 20 year old in a back street. Serial young sex won't get you a life sentence :lol:
to be arrested for a sex crime when you were just having consentual sex with your same-age girlfriend is the most fucked up thing I've heard in a while.
 

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to be arrested for a sex crime when you were just having consentual sex with your same-age girlfriend is the most fucked up thing I've heard in a while.
I know but i don't think theres much vindiction within the law. I know loads of people who've had sex in younger years and plenty who've been caught and i have never heard of a conviction.
The idea is to scare people into doing it but to be honest the best barier is the one which the other partner puts on.
 

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In Finland it was recently tried also to change the law to allow 16yrs and art photographers to posses material. With same reasoning as already discussed here, couples filming each other or person filming itself.

It was no surprise that law initiative was quickly buried as it was misunderstood by so many, mainly female public. Or I dont know was it misunderstood, some just dont want person aged 16-17 to have naked pic of himself.
 
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