Random Thoughts... [Automotive Edition]

Blind_Io

"Be The Match" Registered
DONOR
Joined
Apr 5, 2006
Messages
21,643
Location
Utah, USA
Car(s)
06 Nissan XTerra Off Road, 00 VFR800, 07 ST1300
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/daily-news/091015-2010-Subaru-Outback-is-Motor-Trend-Sport-Utility-of-the-Year/

How the hell can a Subaru Outback be Motor Trend's SUV of the year? It's not an SUV. Subaru markets it as being "not an SUV." So how can it be the best SUV?

This is frustrating as hell, considering I'm some one who owns and likes SUVs it drives me nuts with cars on oversized tires are counted as true SUVs and compared to them. Of course the car will get better MPG and will corner better. It's apples and oranges. Why don't we look at other numbers, like towing capacity, cargo capacity, approach, departure, and breakover angle. How about torque or bhp, wheel articulation, wheel travel, body flex or the ability to get a low range transfer case?
"You can't do that! It's not the same as an SUV!"
Arg!
 

gaasc

Desperately looking for a title
DONOR
Joined
Apr 26, 2008
Messages
8,163
Location
Honduras
Car(s)
3 of them
I'm still wondering why did Americans gave up estates, they are as big as a SUV,more stable at high speeds, I'm pretty sure you can do some very light offroading with them, they are cheaper than a SUV so why? Why the hell did they made the change?
 

Blind_Io

"Be The Match" Registered
DONOR
Joined
Apr 5, 2006
Messages
21,643
Location
Utah, USA
Car(s)
06 Nissan XTerra Off Road, 00 VFR800, 07 ST1300
Don't look at me, my first car was an estate and I loved it. Now I like the SUV, but then again, I'm one of the 3% of the population that actually uses it like it should be.
 

flydiscovery

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2009
Messages
3,979
Location
US
Car(s)
2013 Hyundai Elantra GLS
I'm still wondering why did Americans gave up estates, they are as big as a SUV,more stable at high speeds, I'm pretty sure you can do some very light offroading with them, they are cheaper than a SUV so why? Why the hell did they made the change?
Because estates developed a reputation for being "mom cars." They are, however, making a massive comeback in the last 3 years. Now they're called "crossovers" (or sometimes just a 5 door hatch) but they're still wagons. I'm actually in the market for a small wagon to replace the Passat before it implodes.
 

Blind_Io

"Be The Match" Registered
DONOR
Joined
Apr 5, 2006
Messages
21,643
Location
Utah, USA
Car(s)
06 Nissan XTerra Off Road, 00 VFR800, 07 ST1300
I disagree, a Crossover is not an estate. An estate sits lower to the ground, like a sedan, while a crossover has a taller floor and roof line with a more upright seating position. It's still made like a car (unibody) and usually has the suspension from a car, but the body has larger wheel arches to fit oversized wheels; which, in turn, make the entire vehicle taller.

It's a small distinction, but I don't consider a crossover an estate. I honestly think that we are moving farther away from SUVs anyway. The explosion of the Crossover market shows that not everyone wants an offroad machine. Crossovers are getting shorter and more car-like with ever passing model year. Soon they will morph back into the estate and we will have come full circle, leaving only real SUVs with the "SUV" title.
 

Spectre

The Deported
Joined
Feb 1, 2007
Messages
36,626
Location
Dallas, Texas
Car(s)
00 4Runner | 02 919 | 87 XJ6 | 86 CB700SC
I'm still wondering why did Americans gave up estates, they are as big as a SUV,more stable at high speeds, I'm pretty sure you can do some very light offroading with them, they are cheaper than a SUV so why? Why the hell did they made the change?
Jimmy Carter, the EPA, Detroit and the two gas crises.
 

Spectre

The Deported
Joined
Feb 1, 2007
Messages
36,626
Location
Dallas, Texas
Car(s)
00 4Runner | 02 919 | 87 XJ6 | 86 CB700SC
Nope, they had nothing to do with it. Come to think of it, the UAW tried to stop it.
 

gaasc

Desperately looking for a title
DONOR
Joined
Apr 26, 2008
Messages
8,163
Location
Honduras
Car(s)
3 of them
Wait what!, you are saying that the UAW did something good. Allow that to sink in. SPECTRE said something GOOD about the UAW.

On other news, Millions flock to the Holy grounds, pope predicts the end of days.

On a serious note, would you mind explain it?
 
Last edited:

Lupin_IV

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2008
Messages
3,876
Location
about 10 miles north of Carlisle, PA
Car(s)
'84 Pontiac Parisienne, '93 Chevy Caprice
Wait what!, you are saying that the UAW did something good. Allow that to sink in. SPECTRE said something GOOD about the UAW.

On other news, Millions flock to the Holy grounds, pope predicts the end of days.

On a serious note, would you mind explain it?
The UAW is, first and foremost, lazy.
Keeping the same basic car for years on end means less effort on their part - shifting production from station wagons to SUVs meant more work.
 

flydiscovery

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2009
Messages
3,979
Location
US
Car(s)
2013 Hyundai Elantra GLS
I disagree, a Crossover is not an estate. An estate sits lower to the ground, like a sedan, while a crossover has a taller floor and roof line with a more upright seating position. It's still made like a car (unibody) and usually has the suspension from a car, but the body has larger wheel arches to fit oversized wheels; which, in turn, make the entire vehicle taller.

It's a small distinction, but I don't consider a crossover an estate. I honestly think that we are moving farther away from SUVs anyway. The explosion of the Crossover market shows that not everyone wants an offroad machine. Crossovers are getting shorter and more car-like with ever passing model year. Soon they will morph back into the estate and we will have come full circle, leaving only real SUVs with the "SUV" title.
Ok I do agree however I'd add that many vehicles I would call wagons are marketed as "crossovers" (a new and thus still socially vague word) to avoid the negative stigma associated with saying you drive a station wagon. Then even if the car isn't officially marketed that way, it's often referred to as such by the owner, who is still in denial that the 80s are back. :p
 

CrzRsn

Mr. Fedewhatever
DONOR
Joined
Mar 6, 2005
Messages
17,044
Location
Motor City, Michigan
Car(s)
13 Ford Mustang GT, 17 Ford Fiesta ST
Just realized that I've only seen photos of the Covini C6W. Never seen it in motion, so I decided to look it up.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd3PbkCZXxM[/YOUTUBE]
They take it around a track towards the end. Some nice engine notes in there.

Video also has some cool footage of the Tyrrell P34 (6 wheeled F1 car)
 
Last edited:

EyeMWing

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2008
Messages
4,958
Location
MD, Amish Country PA
Car(s)
Many things, none of them working.
Ok I do agree however I'd add that many vehicles I would call wagons are marketed as "crossovers" (a new and thus still socially vague word) to avoid the negative stigma associated with saying you drive a station wagon. Then even if the car isn't officially marketed that way, it's often referred to as such by the owner, who is still in denial that the 80s are back. :p
I've long been in the habit of calling onroad SUVs "Station wagons" or "Minivans" depending on the model. It pisses the owners off soooo bad.
 
Last edited:

_HighVoltage_

Captain Volvo
Joined
Aug 5, 2006
Messages
9,961
Car(s)
1998 Volvo S70 T5M
Damn and blast! First attempt at draining ATF...FAIL.

I got the car on ramps, blocked the rear wheels, got under the car, found the enormous 24mm drain plug, just to find that I can't take it off. :(
I tried a monkey wrench...which started to damage the edges of the bolt, so I gave up on it.
I had a 24mm socket and a ratchet...but the plug is placed at the most uncomfortable position, and the ratchet can't reach there because of the fuel return lines.

Tomorrow I'm going to buy a 24mm box wrench, and I hope it will do the trick.
 

Spectre

The Deported
Joined
Feb 1, 2007
Messages
36,626
Location
Dallas, Texas
Car(s)
00 4Runner | 02 919 | 87 XJ6 | 86 CB700SC
There's an easier and sneakier way to do it. :D You'll need 2 more gallons of ATF, though.
 

argatoga

Can't Start His Wank
Joined
Oct 4, 2005
Messages
17,976
Location
Seattle
Car(s)
'13 Moto Guzzi V7, '08 Pontiac Solstice GXP
Damn and blast! First attempt at draining ATF...FAIL.

I got the car on ramps, blocked the rear wheels, got under the car, found the enormous 24mm drain plug, just to find that I can't take it off. :(
I tried a monkey wrench...which started to damage the edges of the bolt, so I gave up on it.
I had a 24mm socket and a ratchet...but the plug is placed at the most uncomfortable position, and the ratchet can't reach there because of the fuel return lines.

Tomorrow I'm going to buy a 24mm box wrench, and I hope it will do the trick.
If you can afford it get an impact wrench. An electric one should suffice.

Good news for BlaRo! You can pick up this beuty for under $2000!
http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/1453163107.html

I like how "usual places" means entire car. :p
 

Magnet

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 13, 2005
Messages
3,030
Location
Perth, WA
Car(s)
BMW E46 328Ci
Damn and blast! First attempt at draining ATF...FAIL.

I got the car on ramps, blocked the rear wheels, got under the car, found the enormous 24mm drain plug, just to find that I can't take it off. :(
I tried a monkey wrench...which started to damage the edges of the bolt, so I gave up on it.
I had a 24mm socket and a ratchet...but the plug is placed at the most uncomfortable position, and the ratchet can't reach there because of the fuel return lines.

Tomorrow I'm going to buy a 24mm box wrench, and I hope it will do the trick.
Don't forget to undo the fill plug first, otherwise you could be in a spot of bother.
 
Top