Snow Mexican Surender Monkey
- Feb 18, 2007
- Montreal, Qc, Canada
- FoRS, Japanese touring triple
Why do you automatically assume it was shut down?I know about the Vincennes incident. However, the plane was shot down less than five minutes out of Tehran, in Iranian airspace, and they're refusing to allow the black boxes to be inspected. Those things make me focus my suspicions towards Iran. I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.
There were some tweets out of Iran too saying it was shot down before the official channels said that it wasn't. There are witnesses that claim they saw the plane on fire before it hit the ground, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was shot down. The airline did day that that the plane just passed an inspection just days ago with no abnormalities, and the captain has had over 12,000 hours in 737s. But like MWF said, at this point in time its all speculation.I think some people are just speculating based on probability right now, but with the Iranian military likely to be a little trigger-happy in the current climate, even though it may not have been with malice aforethought, it's certainly a consideration, and if they are refusing access to the FDR and CVR they are only going to be adding fuel to that speculation.
I didn't automatically assume it had been shot down. I made that statement based on what appeared to be shrapnel holes in the wreckage, which is consistent with it being shot down by a surface to air missile.Why do you automatically assume it was shut down?
i'm curious how open your master clown will be during the investigation. at the moment US companies are not allow to cooperate with the iranian government on any level...I'm curious how open Iran will be during the investigation, they seemed to have done a 180 since yesterday.
It does look like an Iranian SAM is one of the most likely possibilities, but it's surely not the only one.
Holy hell, where to even start? RdKetchup is Canadian and his “master clown” is Justin Trudeau, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.i'm curious how open your master clown will be during the investigation. at the moment US companies are not allow to cooperate with the iranian government on any level...
and also, if you're iran, why let the Boeing employees go home after the investigation? i'd arrest them and use them as leverage tool...
as a Boeing employee, i wouldn't be all that jumpy to go investigate
i didn't know he was canadian, of course i was talking about trumpHoly hell, where to even start? RdKetchup is Canadian and his “master clown” is Justin Trudeau, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Secondly, there are exemptions from the sanctions for e.g. humanitarian goods and services. There is no good reason to believe that NTSB investigators would be stopped from cooperating with their Iranian counterparts in this case. The politicians are the hotheads, not the professionals. But then again, Trump is basically insane, so who knows what he’ll do about professional cooperation.
no, these are the days where international deals which took years to accomplish (paris environmental act, nuclear deal with iran, trades deal with china) are blown up just because he feels like it, or doesn't fit his personal agenda.Finally, the Iranians aren’t stupid enough to take investigators hostage. These aren’t the days of “Argo” (as in the movie).
Source links for all invites are in the article.On 9 January, the Swedish Accident Investigation Authority and Transportation Safety Board of Canada were officially invited by the investigation team to participate in the probe on the crash. The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, Ukraine, and Boeing were also invited to participate in the investigation.
On 9 January 2020, media reports showed bulldozers being used at the crash site. Some aircraft investigation experts expressed concerns about disturbing and damaging the crash site before a thorough investigation can be conducted. Iran denied bulldozing the evidence. As of 9 January 2020, Ukrainian investigators were still waiting for Iranian government permission to investigate the crash site.
i'm curious how open your master clown will be during the investigation.
bone, in your effort to derail the thread into politics, you became the clown.Holy hell, where to even start? RdKetchup is Canadian and his “master clown” is Justin Trudeau, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
As it's the middle east and not remotely a sane corner of the planet politically, I think attribution of the missile will be harder than determining whether the plane was shot down or not. Basically all warring factions have had access to soviet and/or american equipment at one point or another so make and model of missile used are only of limited help...Seeing more and more media reports that Iran shot down the plane.
Apparently there's data that shows two surface-to-air missiles were detected shortly before the plane came down. Yikes...