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More trouble is on the horizon for Boeing, as they are forced to postpone the 737 Max' return to service. It's now likely it won't happen until after the summer. This is very critical for some airlines who will have many of these standing on the ground not generating revenue during the summer months. Don't know about the US, but here the summer months are imperative, as they tend to provide the boost in revenue they need to get through the slow winter months. Airlines will therefore be forced to wet-lease replacements, which is expensive.

This is bad. By comparison, the DC-10 was grounded for 37 days by the FAA over safety concerns, and that was generally viewed as a disaster for McDonnel Douglas in general, and for the DC-10 in particular. Soon, the 737 Max has been grounded for a full year, which shows how deep this goes.

Also, this comes on top of Boeing's other problems some of them minor, others large, like the 787 losing orders, the issues with the KC-46 (767) tankers, and recent problems during testing of the 777X, causing delays.
 

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This is bad. By comparison, the DC-10 was grounded for 37 days by the FAA over safety concerns, and that was generally viewed as a disaster for McDonnel Douglas in general, and for the DC-10 in particular. Soon, the 737 Max has been grounded for a full year, which shows how deep this goes.

Also, this comes on top of Boeing's other problems some of them minor, others large, like the 787 losing orders, the issues with the KC-46 (767) tankers, and recent problems during testing of the 777X, causing delays.
Government bailout bad? I mean consolidation in the aircraft industry means Boeing is big big. Can they weather the storm economically? I thought it was like they said the airlines that crashed them... then I see nope they boldly lied. I was on a 737-800 with a women who was losing it and her husband trying to tell her he googled it wasn't helping. How long is it going to be (rough estimate) till we know if they really are screwed?
 

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Passenger at Chicago airport steals marijuana from ‘Cannabis Amnesty Box’

Who could have foreseen this?

Police in Chicago say an incoming traveler at Midway Airport managed to steal marijuana from one of the facility’s “Cannabis Amnesty Boxes” on Wednesday.

The boxes, which were installed only weeks ago to coincide with the legalization of recreational marijuana in Illinois, are intended for departing passengers wishing to dispose of their cannabis products before boarding their flights at Midway or O’Hare.
 

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Nice tailwind... :D

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/british-airways-sets-new-transatlantic-speed-record/

According to a German news report, they achieved a top (ground) speed of 1328 kph (717 kn)...
Hmmm. My last JFK-LHR flight was rather quick too, I almost way to say it was quicker than 4:56.

EDIT: Found it in my App In The Air profile. VS10 on Dec 11. Left JFK at 22:26 UTC-5 (26 minutes late) and arrived at LHR at 08:59 UTC (51 minutes early). That's 5 hours 33 minutes, but I think App In The Air uses gate to gate time rather than wheels up to touchdown.
 
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Government bailout bad? I mean consolidation in the aircraft industry means Boeing is big big. Can they weather the storm economically? I thought it was like they said the airlines that crashed them... then I see nope they boldly lied. I was on a 737-800 with a women who was losing it and her husband trying to tell her he googled it wasn't helping. How long is it going to be (rough estimate) till we know if they really are screwed?
Well, if this goes really pear shaped, we may see a government bailout, as Boeing (and by extension it's suppliers and sub suppliers) is so big that the US economy would feel it if they went out of business. When the 737 Max returns to service you can be sure that all of the airlines will remove all Max-branding from them. Ryanair has even renamed them, 737-8200. Also, simply renaming it was also the fix suggested by the Very Stable Genius.

It's a shame really, as this will become a stain on the 737's long-lasting legacy. Boeing caved in to pressure from airlines in the US to make the Max as a quick-fix to keep up with the A320Neo-family, rather than doing a blank-sheet design, like they were originally planning to. This will entail enormous costs, as they will be forced to "unshelve" the designs they rejected when they went for the max.
 

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Ryanair has even renamed them, 737-8200.
FYI - https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/new-name-for-ryanair-737-max-is-not-actually-new/133547.article

Photographs circulating on social media purport to show a Ryanair 737 Max 8 – registered EI-HAY and parked at Boeing's Renton facility – with the 'Max' name no longer on the nose, possibly a response to perceptions that the 'Max' brand is tainted by poor publicity after the fleet was grounded five months ago.

The aircraft instead carries the identity '737-8200'.

Although the switch is notable, the name – contrary to a number of reports – is not a new designation for the aircraft, and actually predates both the Max grounding and the two fatal accidents which led to the type's suspension from operations.

The European Union Aviation Safety Agency had been referring to the 737-8200 in documents such as its 2015 annual activity report, published in June 2016, almost a year before the first ever 737 Max delivery.

This designation has frequently been included in US federal regulatory filings from Boeing and the US FAA since at least early 2017.
 

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