The Bundy Ranch ordeal

Confused scene.

However, I can totally buy that he puts his hands in his jacket or something like that. It looks like that.
 
LeVeL said:
That's definitely plausible too. I wonder if there's body cam footage. Also, was that filmed from a helicopter or a drone?
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I'd guess helicopter. Just more common.

Also, this isn't going to disappear from SoMe quickly...

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He just tried to run a road block and the FBI said he was armed with a pistol in the pocket he was reaching for. This is also the guy that was filmed saying he would rather die than go to jail.
 
He also almost run down FBI agents when running that roadblock.

Fuck him.
 
jasonof2000 said:
He also almost run down FBI agents when running that roadblock.

Fuck him.
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I've watched that part a few time...it doesn't sound like its the case, it I swear it looked like he ran into/over someone.
 
jasonof2000 said:
He also almost run down FBI agents when running that roadblock.

Fuck him.
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That is entirely the agent's fault. Finnicum saw that the road was blocked and swerved out of the way into a snowbank. Not sure why the FBI guy ran out in that direction but here's a screenshot just before the agent ran out:

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Finnicum is on his brakes and heading towards the snowbank with no one in front of him.
 
jasonof2000 said:
He also almost run down FBI agents when running that roadblock.

Fuck him.
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Yup, this. I'm always suspicious when cops kill someone, but given the (not great) video this looks pretty justified.

That's about the most generous thing I can say given how much these "militia" fucksticks piss me off every time I hear news about them.

LeVeL said:
That is entirely the agent's fault.
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:? Sure. It's entirely his fault for trying to dodge the lunatic he thought was going to slam into the roadblock. Yup. Totally his fault. No fault at all on the guy who was barreling down the road towards the roadblock. None.
 
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Whenever you think you can make up the rules as you go along, because you don't like the real rules, you're being an asshat.
 
And these guys were being massive asshats. Incredibly divorced from reality asshats.
 
Yeah. Please remind me, are we in sovreign citizen bullshit territory, or am I mistaken?
 
nomix said:
Yeah. Please remind me, are we in sovreign citizen bullshit territory, or am I mistaken?
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Oh yeah. They're all "sovereign citizen" idiots. That's why they were trying to work with the county sheriff. That's the highest authority they recognize. Until of course the sheriff disagrees with them, then they get a self-appointed judge to convene a grand jury (of themselves) to indict the sheriff.

Fucking assholes. I hope they throw the book at them. And actually do something about Cliven Bundy while they're at it.
 
What bullshit! He had every chance to give up, yet choose to run from the police, try to run a roadblock, then run on foot, keep changing directions after being told to halt and then reaching for his pocket.
 
No, Level. That is a lie.

Try to grab your gun while a police officer is telling you to put your hands up, we'll shoot you. If you think the US is being to decent towards Mexicans, why don't you join up with sheriff Joe Arpaio?
 
Oregon Occupation Ends As Last Holdout Surrenders

After 41 days, the Oregon occupation is over: All four militants who remained at an occupied wildlife refuge have surrendered to the FBI.

David Fry, Jeff Banta, Sean Anderson and Sandy Anderson were the last four militants left at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, near Burns, Ore., on Thursday morning. A group of armed anti-federalists had taken over the refuge in early January, saying they were protesting the convictions of two Oregon ranchers on arson charges.

Banta and the Andersons left their weapons behind and walked into FBI custody on Thursday morning. More than an hour later, Fry followed them.

"No one was injured, and no shots were fired," the FBI said in a statement.

After the other three occupiers left, Fry initially said he wouldn't surrender. "I will die a free man," he said in a phone call with political activist Gavin Seim that was live-streamed online.

Fry said the government was refusing to listen to his grievances, which include the fact that he believes his tax dollars are funding abortions. At one point he said he had a gun to his head and was feeling suicidal; at other times, he said he needed promises of protection, and a way to control how his tax dollars were spent, before he turned himself in.

"If they attack me, I have to defend myself," Fry said. "I'm a man, I'm taking a stand. ... A stand means you're willing to risk your life."

"Man wasn't made to be put behind bars for standing up for his own rights," he said later.

After a tense conversation with activists and with the FBI, Fry finally asked the FBI if they'd shout "Hallelujah" and told the activists he was handing himself in.

"I'm gonna grab one more cookie," he said, "one more cigarette. Alrighty then."

After audible shouts of "Hallelujah" and Fry saying he was walking toward the FBI, his audio then cut out.

Oregon Public Broadcasting reports that Fry was friends with LaVoy Finicum, the refuge occupier who was shot and killed by law enforcement at the end of January.

The Thursday morning surrender ? which was supposed to include all four occupiers ? was negotiated with the help of Nevada state Assemblywoman Michele Fiore and evangelical leader Franklin Graham.

(You may know Fiore for her guncentric family photos and calendars; The Washington Post has a profile. The Rev. Franklin Graham is the son of televangelist Billy Graham.)

The deal was arranged in a series of calls that were live-streamed online Wednesday night and Thursday morning, with tens of thousands of people tuning in.

On the calls, Fiore expressed support for the occupiers but urged calm and called for peace. She also checked in to make sure the militants had eaten breakfast, had coffee and water, used the bathroom. "It could be a long day today," she said early Thursday.

The occupiers repeatedly indicated they thought they might be killed by the FBI. At times, they indicated it would be the best thing that could happen for their cause. "Kill me. Get it over with," Fry said on Wednesday night.

On Thursday morning, Fiore exhorted them to lead by example and said they needed to stay alive to tell their stories.

"A dead man can't talk and a dead man can't write," Fiore said. "We have to stay together and stay alive."

Fry described in the live-stream how the other three occupiers left their guns behind and gave themselves up to the FBI. Once they had left, he said he had no intentions of following them.

Some people involved in the negotiation had been concerned the deal might not go through at all because Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy was arrested Wednesday night. Original plans had included Bundy's presence at the surrender, OPB's John Sepulvado says.

Bundy was charged with conspiracy and assault on a federal officer over his 2014 standoff with federal agents at his Nevada ranch, The Associated Press reported Thursday.

"Cliven Bundy was traveling to Oregon to raise support for his sons and four militants still holding out at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge when FBI agents arrested him at the Portland airport," Sepulvado reported for our Newscast unit.

"Bundy's daughter, Bailey Bundy, said her father was indicted on conspiracy charges," Sepulvado says. "Before departing from Nevada, Cliven Bundy had called for supporters to come to Burns, Ore. He said in a statement, 'Gather as many people as possible, and go now.' "

But while supporters might have been nearby, inside the refuge, Fry appeared to feel alone.

KrisAnne Hall, an activist on the call who was trying to persuade Fry to leave, told him the country is filled with people who share his goals.

"You're not the only one that is fighting," she said.

"Well, I'm the only one who's still here," Fry responded.
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Insanity.
 
The demands are pretty amazing. Stop spending my dollars on abortions. Right. Can Occupy sit down in a federal building and demand their tax dollars won't be spent on the US military?
 
I don't think tax dollars (at a federal level) can be spent on abortion. I know PP has a rigid firewall in place because of this.
 
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