The European Refugee Situation

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I believe I mentioned this case a few pages before. It was apparently used and blown out of proportion mainly by Russian media, presumably motivated by the Russian political leadership in order to make propaganda against refugees and to discredit the German behavior in the crisis.
Norwegian broadcaster NRK did a story about the mysterious - and made up - death of a refugee. I'm sure you're familiar with the story.

In it, a Russian journalist is quoted, saying something along the lines of "yeah, it's probably not true, but I'll file a story none the less, this is the kind of story our press bureaus want right now."

Seriously, never believe a single word about any contentious issue from Russian media...
 

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Thing is that we have a lot of Russian immigrants here in Germany and they still often watch Russian TV via satellite.

The anti-refugee propaganda in Russian media has made them kinda hostile towards the refugees from the Middle East -- which is quite ironic because they are immigrants themselves and they should be the first ones in understanding how valuable a country with a welcoming culture is for foreigners.
 

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It's also badly written bullshit, so why bother?
 

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Just that the crime we?re talking about now is a different one than the one this story started out with, especially the girl being kidnapped by refugees being of the table now ... and if "statutory rape" will even be something to "stick" with a victim that made up a kidnapping because she was afraid to face her parents because of some problems at school ...
The crime (currently) differs from what either side said at first.

"She was raped."

"No, she wasn't."

"OK she was, but it was statutory. Police 'specialists' questioned the 13-year-old (without a lawyer or even any witnesses) for three hours, and she recanted."

"But she had injuries."

"No she didn't."

I have to wonder why the reporting is so convoluted.


Either way - no longer something for the "the european refugee situation" thread. Another one for the pile of made up or exaggerated stories trying to make the problems with refugees look bigger than they are.
Yes, that is plausible.

Unfortunately, it's hard to forget Rotherham, where at least a thousand child rapes were covered up or downright enabled by the police (complaints ignored, complainants arrested to keep it quiet in a few cases) for fear of being called racists if they enforced the law:

[video=youtube;FtJ-OEnKwUU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtJ-OEnKwUU[/video]


In light of that, it's hard for me personally to completely write off the possibility of a cover-up as a kooky consipiracy. Parts of this case sound eerily similar . . . especially when the police repeatedly make it clear they have PR motives when reporting crimes, depending on the color of the suspect(s).


. . . propaganda . . . Putin . . .
Also plausible.
 

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Last week our national broadcaster YLE ran a story about some young adult asylum seekers who volunteered at a playschool. They were apparently well liked, and everything worked so great. Well, after the story became public, municipal playschool officials started to get a lot of negative feedback, apparently mostly from people who have nothing to do with playschools. The result was that those asylum seekers can not regularly volunteer at the playschool anymore. The playschool officials did this decision to retain the trust between parents and the playschool.

Two points:
1. How on earth can those people integrate to our society, if we don't let them do anything? Presumably the complainers are the same people who then complain, that these asylum seekers do not do anything and just use our money.
2. Those municipal playschool officials have zero balls.
 
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Here we go again, arguing about the source and not the content :rolleyes: I'm sorry that I don't go to CNN every single time.
 

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Source and content are intertied. Especially when it comes to borderline racist crap Brietbart is known for.
 

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Here we go again, arguing about the source and not the content :rolleyes: I'm sorry that I don't go to CNN every single time.
How about checking on the source and its credibility before you post it on a public forum?

You sometimes seem like someone who'll believe any kind of shit, as long as it fits your agenda.

Do us all a favor and google something before you post it here -- or, as an alternative, stay with sources who's credibility has been repeatedly proven, preferably with something called "editorial staff" in the background ;)
 

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Do us all a favor and google something before you post it here -- or, as an alternative, stay with sources who's credibility has been repeatedly proven, preferably with something called "editorial staff" in the background ;)
Let me guess, those just happen to be progressive sources, right? :rolleyes: You don't like Breitbart, Fox, The Blaze, Townhall, The Daily Caller, or Washington Times. You do, however, consider CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, Huffington Post, and Politico to be "credible", right? Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

By the way, you apparently failed to realize that what I posted was a guest piece, rather than being written by someone at Breitbart.
 

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The European Refugee Situation

In times like this -- with propaganda, populism and agitation on every corner -- I'd rather double check almost everything. It's not about the source or if it's lefty or righty, it's about using logic, common sense and a healthy mistrust in the Internet.
 
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In times like this -- with propaganda, populism and agitation on every corner -- I'd rather double check almost everything. It's not about the source or if it's lefty or righty, it's about using logic, common sense and a healthy mistrust in the Internet.
Really? Because that's not what you said:
How about checking on the source and its credibility before you post it on a public forum?

You sometimes seem like someone who'll believe any kind of shit, as long as it fits your agenda.

Do us all a favor and google something before you post it here -- or, as an alternative, stay with sources who's credibility has been repeatedly proven, preferably with something called "editorial staff" in the background ;)
 

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Well, in contrast to you I can obviously differ between trustworthy news and rubbish news ;)
Let me guess, those just happen to be progressive sources, right? :rolleyes: You don't like Breitbart, Fox, The Blaze, Townhall, The Daily Caller, or Washington Times. You do, however, consider CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, Huffington Post, and Politico to be "credible", right? Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

By the way, you apparently failed to realize that what I posted was a guest piece, rather than being written by someone at Breitbart.
 

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Thing is that we have a lot of Russian immigrants here in Germany and they still often watch Russian TV via satellite.

The anti-refugee propaganda in Russian media has made them kinda hostile towards the refugees from the Middle East -- which is quite ironic because they are immigrants themselves and they should be the first ones in understanding how valuable a country with a welcoming culture is for foreigners.
There is a lot of Americans in America (and other people in the rest of the world) who also wath Russian TV via satelite or the internet. RT has become a great tool for the Kremlin, as it is apt to publish news that seem to confirm what people think is happening. Then, when Russian backed seperatists shoot down an airliner over Ukraine, it's easy to start spredding the 'truth' about what happened.

This is the same, really.

Geller: Europe?s Civil War Breaks Out: The Battle for Stockholm?s Train Station. Not copying the full text because it has a ton of links that would take an hour to insert on my phone.
It isn't a civil war, and not even the beginning of a civil war, it's a right wing fringe that decided to "clean up" the train station, by which they ended up attacking some criminals, and attacking some people who "looked criminal", but were, in fact, just buying the paper or taking the train.

Geller is a propagandist.

Last week our national broadcaster YLE ran a story about some young adult asylum seekers who volunteered at a playschool. They were apparently well liked, and everything worked so great. Well, after the story became public, municipal playschool officials started to get a lot of negative feedback, apparently mostly from people who have nothing to do with playschools. The result was that those asylum seekers can not regularly volunteer at the playschool anymore. The playschool officials did this decision to retain the trust between parents and the playschool.

Two points:
1. How on earth can those people integrate to our society, if we don't let them do anything? Presumably the complainers are the same people who then complain, that these asylum seekers do not do anything and just use our money.
2. Those municipal playschool officials have zero balls.
Fucking idiots.
 

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German Police Raid Homes, Refugee Shelters in Hunt for ISIS-Linked Jihadis

More than 400 police across Germany raided homes, refugee shelters and a bakery Thursday in a hunt for four suspected Algerian jihadists, including one linked to an ISIS training camp.

Berlin police told NBC News that two men were arrested in the raids, which were carried out in coordination with Germany's domestic intelligence service and involved bomb-sniffing dogs.

A 35-year old man, sought by Algerian authorities on suspicion of ISIS membership and believed to have undergone military training in Syria, was arrested at a refugee shelter in Attendorn, North Rhine -Westphalia.

"A second suspect, a 49-year old Algerian, was arrested on suspicion of forging official documents," police spokesman Stefan Redlich told NBC News.

Computers, mobile phones and notes also were confiscated in the operation, which included raiding a bakery in central Berlin.

A spokesman for the Berlin prosecutor's office said authorities were following leads, which supported the suspicion that the men were "planning to prepare serious acts of violent subversion" in Berlin.

"We collected evidence which will be evaluated in order to see if the suspicion can be confirmed," spokesman Martin Steltner told NBC News. "We decided that this was the right time to act."

German news agency DPA, citing security sources, reported that one of the four suspected jihadis ? a 26-year old Algerian being sought in Hannover ? had contacts to Belgian Islamists and had traveled to Brussels' Molenbeek district.
 

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Last week our national broadcaster YLE ran a story about some young adult asylum seekers who volunteered at a playschool. They were apparently well liked, and everything worked so great. Well, after the story became public, municipal playschool officials started to get a lot of negative feedback, apparently mostly from people who have nothing to do with playschools. The result was that those asylum seekers can not regularly volunteer at the playschool anymore. The playschool officials did this decision to retain the trust between parents and the playschool.

Two points:
1. How on earth can those people integrate to our society, if we don't let them do anything? Presumably the complainers are the same people who then complain, that these asylum seekers do not do anything and just use our money.
2. Those municipal playschool officials have zero balls.
Zero balls for changing their decision to be in accordance with the law, which was enacted to "protect minors' personal security" and states that "the volunteer work's organiser must create instructions and methods" to that effect. Admittedly, it only provides methods to check volunteers' criminal histories in Finland, but 1 ? should mean that they are obliged to ensure the volunteers' quality anyway. Which would be impossible even if we did have a working relationship with their authorities since they can't be identified. Is it a good idea to have people who have, supposedly, fled warzones or personal persecution mere months ago working with small children? If kindergartens need workers, there's no shortage of them. But hey, the law shouldn't apply to brown people anyway... And there are plenty of opportunities for the asylum seekers to contribute and speed up the integration process, but surprisingly many of them don't seem to want to do it..
 

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Good point, but as far as I understood right, those asylum seeker volunteers were never alone with the children. So, I don't really see the problem with not being able to check their criminal records. As long as the volunteers are not regularly alone with the children, I don't think allowing them to work would be against the law.

I work with minors myself, and have had to prove to my employer that I have no criminal record, as the law states I have to do. But the difference is that I work alone with the children and get paid for it, whereas those volunteers were always there with another person and are not in employement contract with playschool.
 
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