The Gun thread

@Blind, now you need a better gun. I like .270 for long range myself.
 
GRtak said:
@Blind, now you need a better gun. I like .270 for long range myself.
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Let me get a few rounds out of the M1A before you start spending the rest of my money!
 
Who else thinks recoilless rifles are awesome?



Are there any of these available for civvies?
 
They should be, they're classed as Destructive devices so you'll need to pay a $200 transfer tax. Finding one might be a bit difficult, though.
 
So cute!
 
Blind_Io said:
Let me get a few rounds out of the M1A before you start spending the rest of my money!
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But I like spending money that isn't mine.

I sold my Remington 700 in .270 lat year. ;(
 
Relatively to the caliber, that thing is nearly recoilless! :p
 
I sometimes find it hard to differentiate between parodies and real 'instructors' or whatever. Why is he wearing all that gear? Is it necessary?
 
Train like you fight. Better to be able to perform with all the gear, although i guess lots of guys only want to look "tactical".

Had lots of fun on the range this week. German Army NSAK, our new close range shooting training concept. Glad to see I am still a fairly competent shot after 10 year, although quite shocking to see the average shooter in those drills. So many repeats and still no passing score, wonder if some should rather throw their guns at short distance.
 
Eunos_Cosmo said:
I sometimes find it hard to differentiate between parodies and real 'instructors' or whatever. Why is he wearing all that gear? Is it necessary?
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I'd say 80% of these guys are keyboard commandos. There was a thread on the local forum recently about plate carriers with everyone saying how you absolutely must own one! Do most people actually train while wearing them? Not really. Does having expensive parts on your AR, a Glock in your drop-holster, and elbow pads for when you have to do a tactical roll and shoot prone automatically make you a better shot? Of course not. Then again I'm probably biased - I'm really not into the whole "tacticool" scene.

The guy in the video seems to know what he's doing though.
 
This is one of my biggest reasons for liking guns... the history of the damn things.

The Liberator FP45.. up close and personal

"Close that door a moment, will you?" He said.

Seeing him unwrapping a vapor barrier bag, it was pretty clear he was about to show us a pistol of some kind. But... what slid from the bag and onto the padding of the blanket was something I never expected to see without thick glass between myself and history.

A FP-45 Liberator pistol.

Before that, I had seen exactly two of these in my whole life. One, decades ago, in a display case at the Army's Aberdeen proving grounds, and the other in a tiny gun shop in Indiana. The second one had been crushed in what I consider a clear example of all-to-common misguided and small minded government bureaucracy.


The 'Liberator' pistol is not fancy. In fact, it's hard to imagine a firearm less fancy than the FP-45, unless it's made from water pipe in a Prison workshop. The Liberator pistols, over a million of them, were made from crude sheet metal stampings, a blob of zinc casting, and a smoothbore barrel.

It's a single shot .45acp pistol with crude sights, a terrible trigger, no accuracy at all past a few yards, and a form not even mother could love.

Made by the Guidelamp Division of General Motors at the behest of the US Army over a few months in the Summer of 1942, the Liberator was never intended for use by our armed forces. Turned over to The Office of Strategic Services (OSS... the forerunner to the CIA) the Liberator had a more interesting future planned.

The idea was simple really, even if diabolical. The pistols would be air dropped by the hundreds of thousands into enemy occupied territory, where it was expected the Germans would never be able to recover all of them. Useless as a battlefield weapon, the issue of providing useful weapons to the enemy was moot. On the other hand... as a weapon of terror in the hands of the resistance, the Liberator might have had extraordinary value. A common civilian, alone with a conquering German soldier, suddenly produces the single shot .45 and drops the man in a surprise attack, afterwards making off with the soldiers weapons. Now the German Army is down one soldier, the resistance has one more battle rifle, and every other German soldier has to wonder.... will he be next?

I say might have had, as the OSS never carried out the plan to any degree. Aside from a few FP-45's finding their way to the Philippine resistance and perhaps China, the Liberators were not deployed as expected. They languished in warehouses, and after the war... almost all were destroyed.

The history of this ugly little $2.50 pistol, and it's extreme rarity, leads us to where we stand today. A lonely little Liberator will usually fetch $1200 to $1400 at auction. In its original cardboard box with a short wooden dowel for ejecting spent cartridges and the original 10 rounds of .45acp the pistol was supplied with, it will bring upwards of $2000. Add in the original cartoon instruction sheet printed in 1942, and the auction may reach $2500; 100 times what the pistol cost to produce in scarce wartime dollars. This places the Liberator on a collectable plateau normally occupied by rare Winchester rifles and early Colt 1911 pistols.

How it ended up in my friends hands is his story to tell. His allowing 'Ol Carteach to handle the unique and rare find... that's my story to share, and I do so in the images below.

There is one thing more. Looking at the small piece of history as it lay on the table where we shared breakfast, he wondered aloud if I might have any mild .45acp hand loads on hand. At the question, my jaw dropped just as it had when the pistol first fell into my view. He meant to fire the FP-45!

Yes, I had some mild cast lead hand loads running about 650fps. A few of them run through my Commander by my friend and I were deemed as mild enough to chance shooting in the Liberator. Somehow... I was elected to take the first shot.

Folks.... I was faced with an opportunity to do something most shooters could never even dream.... Hold in my hand and fire an actual piece of history. On the flip side of that coin... the Liberator pistol was intended for use in desperate times by desperate people. There was a very real chance it would simply explode in my hand on firing.

I didn't see that as much of a choice.

I apologize for the quality of the video. It was just two old guys facing a stunning personal moment in history. Here is what happened:


To my friend, all I can say is thank you. Thank you for an opportunity of a life time.

And now, some images of the Fp-45 Liberator to share.................

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Many more pictures on the original page.

Turns out they do make replicas but at $500/ea... no thanks.
 
Saw this today, as a 1911 guy, I approve.

 
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Pshh, FNP 45 FTW! Because 15 rounds of fuck you, that's why. :D
 
My .40s holds 16+1...
 
GRtak said:
My .40s holds 16+1...
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That is only one round more than the FNP if you are using the larger of the two mag styles.
 
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