The 'I don't like Tesla' Thread

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https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Technology/federal-probe-launched-tesla-battery-defects-alarming-number/story?id=66722728

Federal probe launched into Tesla for possible battery defects after 'alarming number of car fires'







The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has launched an investigation into the possibility that battery defects in Tesla vehicles may have caused the cars to burst into flames.
The investigation will involve certain battery management system software updates in Model S and Model X vehicles made between 2012 and 2019 in response to an "alarming number of car fires that have occurred worldwide," according to a letter the agency sent to Al Prescott, Tesla's deputy general counsel, on Oct. 24.
The alleged defects in question are "high-voltage battery fires that are not related to collision or impact damage to the battery pack," according to the letter.



A Tesla car arrives at a service center in Los Angeles, March 4, 2019.

The federal agency is seeking to interview all past and present officers and employees who were involved with the design, engineering, analysis, modification, production, testing, assessment or evaluation of the battery management system, as well as those who had consideration or recognition of potential actual defects through forums such as field reports or complaints and had communication to or from zone representatives, dealers or other field locations.
The petitioner who requested an investigation is representing a plaintiff in a class action lawsuit filed in the Northern District of California that relates to the software updates. Tesla has until Nov. 28 to comply with the requests from the NHTSA, or it could face a fine up to $111.6 million.
The electric car company has faced a several issues involving its vehicles in recent months.



Tesla super chargers are shown in Mojave, Calif. July 10, 2019.

In February, a Florida man died after his Model S caught fire after crashing into a palm tree, but he could't get out because the electronic door handles wouldn't open.
In March, another Florida man died after he crashed into a tractor trailer while Autopilot was engaged in his 2018 Model S.
A representative for Tesla did not immediately respond to ABC News' request for comment.
Dunno about you guys, but to me designing a car lacking in life safety features like "the ability to get out of the car if the electronics fail" does seem to be more than a little bit stupid.
 
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prizrak said:
Interesting... so @LeVeL, @Spectre and myself got rimmed by half of this forum for making things political and/or shutting down debate but it's fine for you to attack me because I dare to disagree with you?
Also when I pointed out a couple of issues with BEVs (in response to others I might add) in a thread about the VW ID I get essentially threatened by the mods for "derailing" the thread, but you are going to call me out for ragging on Tesla in a thread that is literally fucking made to RAG ON TESLA. Where are the mods to threaten you to stop derailing this?
Because if his ilk didn’t have double standards, they’d have none at all.
 

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Stop hating on electric cars bro, everything has small flaws, dying in a fire is not that serious!
Though it must be said that it's not -all- electric cars having that problems, but specifically Tesla: the hyperhyped, status-symboled, highly-fanaticized, car that is very interesting but rather normal and if you try to say that in public you get reprimended as if you had insulted God in a church or said even more terrible profanities like "cyclists are often a danger to themselves and the others".
 

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FWIW a friend of mine posted this about his Model 3 after one year of ownership and 23k miles:

I've had no mechanical or electrical issues with [it] so far. Since I got it, I've added windshield washer fluid and rotated the tires twice.

It charges on a 240V x 30A circuit either at home or at work. I have averaged 300 Wh/mi, so at 10c/kWh it costs 3 c/mi to fuel, the equivalent of a gas car getting 80-100 MPG. On road trips, I recharge 220-290 miles away from [home] depending on weather conditions, and it takes 20 minutes to add 150 miles of range at the Supercharger. Cold weather reduces range more than going 80-85 MPH does relative to going 70. There has been no (<1%) battery degradation.

When I got it, it was rated at 271 hp and ran 0-60 in 5.1 seconds. It is noticeably faster now, after 3 software upgrades that added 5% each. I should take it to a dragstrip. It changes direction ferociously and rotates under power readily. I think Car and Driver missed how much the "sport" steering option improves it, and how to use the regenerative braking to get the car to turn in - it does not drive like a front-engined ICE car.

My only complaint is that Tesla still doesn't sell a trailer hitch for it in the US.
 

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Though it must be said that it's not -all- electric cars having that problems
Right and I never said that all EVs have that issue, in fact the only thing I have been saying about EVs in general is that, at current level of technology, they cannot fully replace ICE. They can for a relatively small subset of drivers but not as a general use case. I guess that means I hate em... 🤷‍♂️

I notice conspicuous absence of @bone... did someone run away when called out on their bullshit?
 
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