The Trump Presidency - how I stopped worrying and learned to love the Hair

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The problem with the Mueller probe is that it was supposed to investigate specific allegations, Russian collusion, but they seem to have decided to go for anything they can find. Trump will probably get indicted on unpaid parking tickets from the late 70's or something.
 

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All special prosecutors operate in that fashion. They start on trail A, and come across trail B, C, and D. Should they ignore other crimes that get uncovered?
 

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GRtak;n3548400 said:
All special prosecutors operate in that fashion. They start on trail A, and come across trail B, C, and D. Should they ignore other crimes that get uncovered?
Depends on the trail. This business with paying hush money to a porn star about an affair from a decade ago. We have a precedent to refer to, see John Edwards. I seriously doubt they would indict over that, or else they already would have, since it's not exactly breaking news that the hush money was paid. But it seems like they're simply using it as an excuse to raid Michael Cohen's office, where they are probably hoping to find something unrelated to charge Trump with.

That's not to say he shouldn't be charged with a crime, should they find evidence that he broke the law, but merely to say that this investigation was started to look into Russian interference in the election, and possible collusion with the Trump campaign, into a desperate search for anything they can get their hands on to get Trump. Hence the polls showing Republicans believing the Mueller probe into Russian collusion is biased against Trump.

You think that's because of Trump's twitter feed, but in reality it's because of Mueller's actions.
 
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The special prosecutor did not raid the lawyer's office, it was the FBI from a tip they received from the special prosecutor.

And how do you think the same style investigation went from White Water, a real estate deal, to a stained dress?
 

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I am a little confused, is it actually illegal to pay someone to not talk about something? I always understood that it is illegal to demand payment for silence but not vice versa.
 

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Because it was made by an associate so close to the election, to stop information getting out, that could effect the election.
 

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prizrak;n3548486 said:
That's unethical but don't think it would be illegal.
That will look great on a red hat in 2020.

While you meant it quite specific, it's quite a great fitting general quote reflecting a lot about the Trump presidency on the one hand and Us politics in general. IMHO.

And yes, this sort of thing exists everywhere. In the State of my homecountry where I am from, a State-Secretary recently dismantled a investigative unit in her new resort - that used to (and would prob in the future too) investigate her (and her husbands) company. #WhatWouldTrumpDo
And she seems to be getting away with it by just pretending that there is no conflict of interest there ...
 

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You are very right on politics being dirty everywhere and I am not in any way defending Trump here, just was wondering about legal statutes.
 

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prizrak;n3548524 said:
You are very right on politics being dirty everywhere and I am not in any way defending Trump here, just was wondering about legal statutes.
There's lots of overlapping laws that could be at play, even before campaign finance fraud. Even just starting at the baseline: is this money considered a gift to Donald J. Trump as just a person and not a presidential candidate? Then the limit for giving money to someone is $14K, without needing to declare receiving it on your taxes. Is a payment made on your behalf the same thing as a gift? What if you didn't know about it? What if you did? (which is interesting, given his rant on Fox News yesterday when he said Michael Cohen DID represent him, but at the same time all along he said he claimed he didn't even know about it...which aren't mutually exclusive, but...).

In other news, as of this morning, my company's now up to 17 in regards to US-based manufacturers and vendors we use, who have announced price increases by this summer, specifically calling out the tarrifs as at least part of the reasons.
One this morning: "Like many other companies, we have experienced higher-than-anticipated costs for major commodities such as steel, aluminum, and packaging, largely driven by overall inflationary growth and market reaction to recently announced trade tariffs." It's effectively translating to a 5% increase in cost for metal office furniture (including cubicle panels, desk bases, file cabinets, reconfigurable glass walls, etc).

In other other news, this whole North Korea thing is pretty epic.
 
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prizrak;n3548420 said:
I am a little confused, is it actually illegal to pay someone to not talk about something? I always understood that it is illegal to demand payment for silence but not vice versa.
 

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Trump has to be bipolar or something - first he calls Kim Jong Un "little rocket man" and threatens pretty blatantly with the US's nuclear arsenal, then pretty much all of a sudden agrees to a "peace summit", then on Thursday there is an official letter of cancelling the "peace summit", now he speaks about "productive talks about reinstating the summit" again... :?​​​​​​​

Since when is flip-flopping all the damn time a good idea to lead "the leader of the free world"? The world doesn't function without something like "stability" and "dependability", and currently it seems the government of the US of A is neither of those...
 

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NK has been doing that kind of thing basically throughout all of their history. Now I don't exactly mind bashing Trump when he deserves it but I'm thinking that perhaps there is something going on we are simply not aware of.
I'll say one thing though, I am happy to see citizens scrutinizing the shit out of the POTUS, that is what it should be with every single politician, only way to ensure that people's will is being properly represented.
 

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Eye-Q;n3549364 said:
Trump has to be bipolar or something - first he calls Kim Jong Un "little rocket man" and threatens pretty blatantly with the US's nuclear arsenal, then pretty much all of a sudden agrees to a "peace summit", then on Thursday there is an official letter of cancelling the "peace summit", now he speaks about "productive talks about reinstating the summit" again... :?

Since when is flip-flopping all the damn time a good idea to lead "the leader of the free world"? The world doesn't function without something like "stability" and "dependability", and currently it seems the government of the US of A is neither of those...
"Black and white" thinking is a sign of Borderline Personality Disorder, not Bipolar Disorder (which is primarily related to mood, not personality or cognition)
 
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