It takes 218 votes to impeach in the house, they wouldn't lose that vote. The decision that the trial in the senate results in could end up leaving Trump in a better place, depending on its outcome.Dems aren't bringing impeachment up for a vote simply because a) they'd lose, and b) that would give subpoena power to the Reps and Biden would be in deep doo-doo. It's better for the Dems to just keep stalling and bad-mouthing Trump with made-up stories like Schiff's.
He is shamelessly putting up ridiculous excuses to a shameful decision, and makes everybody lose time and attention for nothing.He is technically correct, which we all know is the best kind of correct.
My post was in jest, thought futurama reference woulda made it clearHe is shamelessly putting up ridiculous excuses to a shameful decision, and makes everybody lose time and attention for nothing.
He doesn't even have the guts to admit his own actions and to the public he only blabs out useless BS.
Makes you understand the meaning of the words "honour", "shame", "courage", "cowardice".
What a shameful individual, who squanders America's respect like this.
I agree it was a very fucked up move, I’m all for withdrawing our troops from where they don’t need to be but it can be handled much more gracefully...Sorry, I must admit I didn't get the reference. My ignorance, my fault.
(also, this move from Trump really did get on my nerves, so I haven't thought enough about hidden references).
There are several bad things: the betrayal is already bad enough, the loss of image and of face for the USA, plus the disvalued word, the public caving in to Erdogan, the worrying signs of weakness, the seeming lack of a long-term strategy or maybe a colossal case of errors and inadequacies.I agree it was a very fucked up move, I’m all for withdrawing our troops from where they don’t need to be but it can be handled much more gracefully...
More at the link.At least four national security officials were so alarmed by the Trump administration’s attempts to pressure Ukraine for political purposes that they raised concerns with a White House lawyer both before and immediately after President Trump’s July 25 call with that country’s president, according to U.S. officials and other people familiar with the matter.
The nature and timing of the previously undisclosed discussions with National Security Council legal adviser John Eisenberg indicate that officials were delivering warnings through official White House channels earlier than previously understood — including before the call that precipitated a whistleblower complaint and the impeachment inquiry of the president.
At the time, the officials were unnerved by the removal in May of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, by subsequent efforts by Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to promote Ukraine-related conspiracies, as well as by signals in meetings at the White House that Trump wanted the new government in Kiev to deliver material that might be politically damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.
Those concerns soared in the call’s aftermath, officials said. Within minutes, senior officials including national security adviser John Bolton were being pinged by subordinates about problems with what the president had said to his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. Bolton and others scrambled to obtain a rough transcript that was already being “locked down” on a highly classified computer network.
“When people were listening to this in real time, there were significant concerns about what was going on — alarm bells were kind of ringing,” said one person familiar with the sequence of events inside the White House, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter. “People were trying to figure out what to do, how to get a grasp on the situation.”
It is unclear whether some or all of the officials who complained to Eisenberg are also the ones who later spoke to the whistleblower.
The accounts are sharply at odds with Trump’s depiction of the call as a “perfect” exchange in which he “did nothing wrong,” despite appearing to link U.S. support for Ukraine to that country’s willingness to investigate the family of the former vice president. On Thursday, Trump renewed his attacks on Twitter, describing the impeachment inquiry as a “Democrat Scam.”
But new details about the sequence inside the White House suggest that concerns about the call and events leading up to it were profound even among Trump’s top advisers, including Bolton and then-acting deputy national security adviser Charles Kupperman. Bolton and Kupperman did not respond to requests for comment.
Officials said that within hours of the 9 a.m. conversation, a rough transcript compiled by aides had been moved from a widely shared White House computer network to one normally reserved for highly classified intelligence operations. According to the whistleblower’s complaint, White House lawyers “directed” officials to move the transcript to the classified system. At the same time, officials were seeking ways to report what they had witnessed, an undertaking complicated by the lack of a White House equivalent to the inspector general positions found at other agencies.
As a result, one official who had listened on the call went “immediately” to Eisenberg. By the end of the next day, at least two others who had either heard the call or seen the rough transcript had also done so, said a person familiar with the matter.
Today in Stupid Watergate:
White House sends their Ukraine talking points to Democrats....again.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/12/trump-lev-parnas-photo-giuliani-0451372014 photograph shows earlier ties between Trump and indicted Giuliani associate
Trump was (is?) a major NYC real estate developer, of course him and former mayor would have a lot of history.So Trump and Giuliani goons go back to 2014