GRtak
Forum Addict
I will make any arguements I deem need to be made.
Was that information provided to the Trump campaign or was it provided to a neutral third party that later released that information? Hint: Wikileaks.As for specific laws: How about the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and 11 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditure, independent expenditures, and disbursement by foreign nationals.
And before you say that information is not an expenditure, the courts and the law say that it has value and is therefore covered under campaign finance law. Bluman vs FEC upheld bans on foreign nationals from making gifts or donations (including services) to a campaign. The decision specifically banned contributions to candidates and political parties as well as “express-advocacy” expenditures — those ads that clearly support or oppose a specific electoral outcome. The Supreme Court affirmed the decision without comment. Russia's interference including the use of advertising - specifically covered under this case.
That is an extremely weak case, if I went on TV and said "Priuses all suck and people should really burn then down" and a bunch of Prisues go up in flames later, am I responsible for all those acts of vandalism?How about the Logan Act, which bars US citizens from interacting with foreign governments, or their representatives, to influence policy. A public appeal for foreign intervention would certainly qualify as "interaction" since it was followed by a response from Russia to aid the Trump campaign.
In the Watergate case, the break in was at express direction of the POTUS not a bunch of people deciding to do it on their own to help Nixon.In the Watergate case, the crime was the physical break-in to access physical records - today that intrusion is electronic, to access electronic records; and it's still just as illegal.
Make better ones. If you want to be taken seriously at least.I will make any arguements I deem need to be made.
Trump rants about Russia releasing dirt on Hillary on national television.
Collusion! Cover up! Not my president! If you think that violates the Logan act, I got a bridge to sell you...
Well, the question over what is in the best interest of the US people is always highly debated. It's very possible that was is in the best interest of the US people could also benefit other nations. If you were running for public office, completely pure and uncorrupted, wanting only what is best for your fellow citizens, and you found out a foreign nation was throwing their support behind you... what would you do? Abandon your policy proposals? Change your views? Drop out?
The way I see it, foreign nations all have a massive interest in who becomes the next US President, because what our country does has an unfortunate impact on the rest of the world. So every nation is going to have their preferred candidate. That simple fact alone should not influence anyone's vote, imo. Instead I think it would be important to dig deeper to understand exactly what it is these foreign nations are hoping for and whether that negatively impacts the interest of the US people.
What did Russia want out of Trump? Less sanctions? Decreased tensions over Syria?
It's very possible that Trump could be acting in what he believes to be the best interests of the US people, while also doing things that Russia would like to see happen.
That is literally how politicians and elections work. Bernie Sanders is not interested in better roads and lifting all speed limits, but I am. He is interested in raising my taxes to pay for government programs that will have little direct benefit to me, which I clearly would not want.If someone's interest coincide with his, he will help; otherwise, he won't move a finger.
That was my bad. I should have been more clear. I never meant to imply it was all of Congress, it's for Nadler and members of the HJC.That is what he claimed.
That was my bad. I should have been more clear. I never meant to imply it was all of Congress, it's for Nadler and members of the HJC.
My point still stands though. Keep in mind that these reports aren't traditionally made public, so no, the rest of Congress, or anyone else, has no right to complain about their level of access to it. As to the HJC, the fact they refuse to take the DOJ up on their offer to review the near-naked report is indicative of their own motives, not cover up on the part of Trump.
Why does it need to in the first place?So why can't the HIC see the parts that Trump has declassified for Barr to share with other investigators?
I see no other plausible reason than for trump to hinder the HJC and other investigations.
Why does it need to in the first place?
You really, really need to start thinking beyond Dem talking points then.So why can't the HIC see the parts that Trump has declassified for Barr to share with other investigators?
I see no other plausible reason than for trump to hinder the HJC and other investigations.
A little context is needed.I am going to make a list of sources on trump blocking Mcgahn from testifying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cGahn-testifying-Congress-Mueller-report.html
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la...-house-justice-department-20190520-story.html
https://nypost.com/2019/05/20/trump-blocks-former-white-house-counsel-from-testifying-to-congress/
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/20/7251...ocking-don-mcgahn-from-testifying-in-congress
Um, don't you think if he was hiding something, that would accelerate, not stall, the impeachment proceedings? Impeachment by the Dems can be started anytime, they don't "need" anything in order to do it.He is delaying the possible impeachment process or he would not have tried to hide it that way.
And I have responded to you about this already: Barr already invited Congress to appeal to a judge for the grand jury information. It's not his job to do the appeal for them.There is a process to get that info from the grand jury released to congress. I have said it several times. And if you would have read the subpoena, there were clear excemptions to protect him from breaking the law.
Is this factual or just wishful thinking on your part? I don't deny he lies, but how do you know he's lying in regards to this ordeal? What do you know that Mueller doesn't?Same can be said for the the president That lies like his life(maybe his political life does...) depends on it.
Why hasn't Nadler subpoena'd Mueller to testify?What are the dems trying to stop?
For that matter why did Mueller say he will not testify on this matter again?Why hasn't Nadler subpoena'd Mueller to testify?
We had freedom fries with Bush, it’s all transparently stupid and no one is going to buy that.This spin effort rates right up there with "clean coal".
b) Who cares?