US Tire Prices To Rise

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Wait, you're basing your vitriol on what some Chinese blogs say?

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Nope, on what the President did as reported by the Associated Press.

How stupid do you have to be to annoy the people who are the only ones lending you money to carry out your schemes????
 

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Somehow, I can't help the feeling that if Dubja would've done the same thing, he'd have been declared a hero for saving American jobs and standing up to those commie bastards. Really depends on the angle you want to view it from I suppose...
 

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Somehow, I can't help the feeling that if Dubja would've done the same thing, he'd have been declared a hero for saving American jobs and standing up to those commie bastards. Really depends on the angle you want to view it from I suppose...
Except for the facts that 1) he wouldn't have done it because this was prompted by the United Steelworkers union and 2) he didn't make campaign promises as well as recent statements against protectionism while in office of just this sort.

And if he had, I would have slammed him just the same. I did slam him on the illegal alien amnesty issue (elsewhere) and I have slammed him here about the border security issue.

FYI, I'm not a Republican either.
 

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I still don't see the big deal.

Q: How does all this affect the consumer?


A: For tire shoppers, the tariff will raise the cost of Chinese imports, which tend to be mostly lower-end and store or generic brands.


Some industry observers put the average cost of an American tire at over $100, while the cost of a comparable Chinese model can be half that.


The Alliance for American Manufacturing, which includes the Steelworkers union and supports the higher tariff, said the ITC report shows that the higher tariff would only result in price increases of 5 percent to 7 percent for Chinese tires, or about $3.50 per tire.


But the tariffs are expected to raise pricing of all kinds of tires to some degree because there will be fewer cheap competitors.


Companies like Goodyear will be under less pressure to lower prices since their cheaper competition will shrink. These companies have also been cutting production to scale back their business, so that means there will be fewer tires for sale. It all adds up to less incentive for tire makers to put their products on sale.


That may be good news for the struggling industry, but not for consumers looking for a bargain.


As for chicken, there are no tariffs to deal with since the U.S. does not import chicken from China, so it's not likely U.S. prices will be affected. But a spat with a major export market could hurt the already struggling industry if it escalates. There could be retaliatory tariffs against exports of chicken to China, or the loss of access to that market altogether.
So, the only real, tangible consequence of all of this right now is that shit tires will probably go up in price about $10/tire? Yeah, real terrible.
 

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Someone else explain to Dogbert how kneecapping the bottom of a market makes *all* the prices in said market rise, please. I'm unfortunately too busy with work to teach Econ 102 at the current time, plus I am not going to type it out on this iPhone.

Dogbert, Cobol74 got it - I suggest asking him.

Edit: Your own article even mentions it - albeit in passing, and it rather stupidly dismisses the Chinese retaliatory tariffs as well - but it does mention it. See the part about Goodyear and price pressure.
 
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What percentage of the market do the Chinese have? Maybe 10%? There are still several makers from outside the country to compete against. You make it sound like the tariffs are on all non-american tires.
 

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I don't live in the US, but I don't really see what harm can it do to make Chinese tires more expensive. I would have no problem if they even banned those tires altogheter here. They are just so crap it's unbelievable, no one should buy them if they care about their own and others safety.

As it was already pointed out, the tires are the only thing that connects your car to the road, and that is a totally wrong area to save money. When I see people with few year old nice cars with cheap chinese rubber under them, I don't really know if I should laugh or not. What's the point of having an expensive car and then ruining the whole experience with crap Chinese 'Goodrides'(Yeah right!)?

Yeah, it's true that they might push prices of the other tires down a little, but in my opinion because people actually buy them I think it's better to make them less appealing for the people, for their own and for others safety.
 
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Tariffs is a clumpsy way of dealing with things, as Spectre said a traction test would get rid of the chinese tires without upsetting Beijing.
 

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That's true. If they just put tight enough regulaitons for tires, Chinese ones would naturally dissappear.
 

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Someone else explain to Dogbert how kneecapping the bottom of a market makes *all* the prices in said market rise, please. I'm unfortunately too busy with work to teach Econ 102 at the current time, plus I am not going to type it out on this iPhone.
I still don't see the big deal.

So, the only real, tangible consequence of all of this right now is that shit tires will probably go up in price about $10/tire? Yeah, real terrible.
FTFM.
 

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Obama's action marks a shift from the Bush administration, which was routinely criticized for being too delicate in confronting Beijing's alleged trade violations. Obama promised during his presidential campaign that he would do it differently.
Funny, that wasn't bolded in the article.

I think the whole thing is stupid, protectionist policies like this only hurt the economy in the long run. But it's not the end of the world either. Countries do this sort of thing all the time; even the US.
 

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Funny, that wasn't bolded in the article.
Well, that would take away from the Obama-"Hope and Change"-bashing. Duh. :rolleyes:

I was actually trolling to see if Spectre would start complaining about the price increase, which is the real issue of this article... since he hasn't yet. All he's said is a little blurb about it, and then he goes off on an Obama/union/bailout/etc tangent.
 

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Well, that would take away from the Obama-"Hope and Change"-bashing. Duh. :rolleyes:

I was actually trolling to see if Spectre would start complaining about the price increase, which is the real issue of this article... since he hasn't yet. All he's said is a little blurb about it, and then he goes off on an Obama/union/bailout/etc tangent.
Because I already covered the price increase, and because I'm not going to type out a long post on a goddamn iPhone keyboard to explain basic economics.
 

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Well, I hope that the prices aren't affected in Canada too much, because my 33" mudders aren't cheap... Atleast they have lots of tread left on them.
 

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Except for the facts that 1) he wouldn't have done it because this was prompted by the United Steelworkers union and 2) he didn't make campaign promises as well as recent statements against protectionism while in office of just this sort.
Except Chicken Little, that's exactly what the Little Shrub did back in 2002 when he imposed tariffs on steel imports to try to cultivate union support for the '04 election. Bush's tariff was much farther reaching since steel is a raw material and not a finished product. They helped steel producing states, but drastically hurt steel consumer states, such as Michigan, Tennessee, and other manufacturing states. This tariff is on a finished product from a country that artificially keeps its export prices down.

And on those currency reserves, that is valued in dollars, meaning their reserves are not exclusively in American Dollars, they have created a basket filled with currencies of different countries to artificially manage the float of the Yuan on a daily basis. Granted it probably consist mostly of dollars, but of all of the Foreign owned US Treasury Securities, China only owns 24%($800 billion), with Japan second at 20%(almost $700 billion). Hell...$800 billion is less than half the yearly budget during the Bush years when he was running a yearly deficit of $220+ billion.

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If they'd been smart (asking way too much from this administration, I know), you simply raise the minimum standards for tires and require by-the-lot testing. Most of the Chinese tires would fail miserably and both 'protectionist' and safety interests would be served - plus the Chinese couldn't complain about it without looking like idiots.
Are you kidding me? You want the Federal Government to create another level of bureaucracy to test tire performance? Who determines the criteria for passing the test or the procedures of the test themselves? Is it a lab test or real world test? How often are the test run? Will there be revaluations of a tire that all ready past the test? Are the tires taken by random from the production line? Where does the money come from to pay for these test; the technicians, evaluators, the testing site, etc... If the cost burden is pushed to the tire manufactures, how do you think they are going to recoup their cost...by increasing the price of the tires.

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How stupid do you have to be to annoy the people who are the only ones lending you money to carry out your schemes????
But we are still in the driver seat in this relationship. When you have more cash than you know what to do with, you invest it. In essence China has panted themselves in a corner and that is why the Chinese keep buying US Treasury Bonds...
The reality behind the noisy public debate is that China has little choice. Because the nation still runs a large trade surplus ? although a smaller one this year ? it has to find somewhere to put large amounts of foreign currency every month. The U.S. debt market remains the best and only real option. If China really wanted to cut back on its purchases of U.S. debt, it would have to take steps to reduce the size of its trade surplus: most obviously, letting its currency appreciate again. Most economists think that?s unlikely to happen while China?s exports remain depressed.

Chinese officials have themselves publicly expressed worries about what U.S. fiscal and monetary policies will do to the values of their holdings. But those statements have poorly matched the government?s actual behavior in the bond market. Such comments seem to be mostly a response to public opinion, of the kind reflected in the Global Times, that is generally skeptical of the value of buying U.S. debt.
What the Chinese are worried about is that the Obama administration's fiscal policy will cause the price of US bonds to fall and/or the purchasing power of the dollar could fall. Either way China loses. Plus in recent history the US has had a bad habit of stiffing our creditors by letting the dollar slide, such as Japan in the 1980s. Similar to today Japan had a huge trade surplus with the US, which in turn led to asset bubble that when it popped, spun Japan into a resession that they are still realing from. Some say China is facing the same bubble since they report Madoff like increase in GDP each year. If China did sell US holdings we would simple devalue our currency,(basically print even more money) then value of those holdings would plummet.

We basically have China bent over the proverbial table.
 
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Well, I hope that the prices aren't affected in Canada too much, because my 33" mudders aren't cheap... Atleast they have lots of tread left on them.
I suspect 33" mudders aren't a big market for cheap Chinese tire makers. :D
 
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