[06x01] May 22nd, 2005

[haz]

totally agree with you ... it's a principal case ...

haz

[hokiethang]

*ahem* this is the episode discussion thread... We have an entirely separate *on topic* thread to discuss the magazine.

[eMKay]

Good episode, Too bad Clarkson doesn't know squat about tanks "The Challenger 2 is the fastest tank in the world over rough terrain" Not even close, that title is a tie between the M1A2, and the French Leclerc. The Challenger is one of the slowest main battle tanks in the world, that doesn't mean it's a bad tank though, quite the opposite, it's powered by a diesel engine so it is much safer than a gas turbine powered tank, and it uses much less fuel.

His second error comes with his comments about the rifled barrel on the main gun, that type of gun is obsolete and the British army is in the process of replacing them with the exact smooth bore gun he mocked in the show.

[haz]

Originally Posted by hokiethang

*ahem* this is the episode discussion thread... We have an entirely separate *on topic* thread to discuss the magazine.

you can never expect a thread to stay 100% on topic, especially after 11 pages ......................

haz

[Buba]

BTW, did anybody check out some of the 700 MB rips around???

I really don't wanna make VUKs work bad in any way... Just interested... Maybe I'll get one, wzhen I have some Bandwidth left, this weekend... Those season finales are killing me

[ruuman]

Originally Posted by eMKay

Good episode, Too bad Clarkson doesn't know squat about tanks "The Challenger 2 is the fastest tank in the world over rough terrain" Not even close, that title is a tie between the M1A2, and the French Leclerc. The Challenger is one of the slowest main battle tanks in the world, that doesn't mean it's a bad tank though, quite the opposite, it's powered by a diesel engine so it is much safer than a gas turbine powered tank, and it uses much less fuel.

His second error comes with his comments about the rifled barrel on the main gun, that type of gun is obsolete and the British army is in the process of replacing them with the exact smooth bore gun he mocked in the show.

You always have to rember to take clarkson with a pinch of salt (he does write for the Sun after all )

40Mph sounds a lot more impressive than 40kph (real cross country figure) and the reason he's going on about rifling is because he did thoose inventions program last yeah and one was about the gun and it evoloution.

I didn't know that we were moving to the smooth bore though, is that the 125mm one?

[F12Bwth]

Originally Posted by Buba

BTW, did anybody check out some of the 700 MB rips around???

I really don't wanna make VUKs work bad in any way... Just interested... Maybe I'll get one, wzhen I have some Bandwidth left, this weekend... Those season finales are killing me

Yeah my RSS feed on azureus grabbed it off of torrentspy actually before I got vuks... and the quality is superior... however im not sure if DOUBLING the space TG take up on my pc is worth it.. its at 18 gigs already with all the specials and such... a final decision is to be made later.


>>>>>>>>> OK.. Dodge has introduced a new Charger, totally negating richards whole speech about dying young and Marlon Brando.. and all that.. So are they gonna review it? I didn't see it in the preview but I assume only about 15% of the cars were shown<<<<<<<<<<<


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[eMKay]

You always have to rember to take clarkson with a pinch of salt (he does write for the Sun after all )

40Mph sounds a lot more impressive than 40kph (real cross country figure) and the reason he's going on about rifling is because he did thoose inventions program last yeah and one was about the gun and it evoloution.

I didn't know that we were moving to the smooth bore though, is that the 125mm one?

Too right you are, I take my military hardware pretty seriously though as I was in the USAF, and my cousin was a tank driver (went into Baghdad with the 4th infantry to relieve the 3rd, and came home in one piece thankfully) I watch the show mostly because it's hysterically funny, not for it's accuracy about tanks and cars, JC gets a lot of his facts wrong, for example last year when he said the Prius did 0-60 in 13 seconds, It's more like 10 seconds. But all of that can be excused as long as I'm entertained, the car shows over here are all very boring.

The gun is a 120mm, here's a link to the info, first paragraph under armament"

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/challenger2/

[djhace]

as always, great show and this time with a nice green lambo.
the soccer part was also really cool.

[mykogwapo69]

its best that this is their last episode of the season coz for sure that topgear will take them over easily

[swek]

Originally Posted by eMKay

JC gets a lot of his facts wrong, for example last year when he said the Prius did 0-60 in 13 seconds, It's more like 10 seconds. But all of that can be excused as long as I'm entertained, the car shows over here are all very boring.

Exactly, how boring would it be if he would have presented the Tank as you have described it. This is the Challenger 2 tank, hoplessly inferiour to it's rivals, equipped with an outdated barrel, and I'm going to race it.

[MacBeth]

Originally Posted by Buba

BTW, did anybody check out some of the 700 MB rips around???

I really don't wanna make VUKs work bad in any way... Just interested... Maybe I'll get one, wzhen I have some Bandwidth left, this weekend... Those season finales are killing me

the uknova rip has a better quality but there are a lot of graphic errors

[ThwartedEfforts]

Originally Posted by swek

Exactly, how boring would it be if he would have presented the Tank as you have described it. This is the Challenger 2 tank, hoplessly inferiour to it's rivals, equipped with an outdated barrel, and I'm going to race it.

as you have correctly identified, clarkson acts like he does because if he didn't, the show would turn into fifth gear and we'd all fall asleep

and please, no more of the "tank X is better than tank Y" rubbish. would you say an rx8 is better than a 350z without driving them both? who here has driven an m1a1 and a challenger 2? only a fool would claim that one is better than the other based on country of origin and stats they found through google.

let's move on...

[eMKay]

Originally Posted by ThwartedEfforts

as you have correctly identified, clarkson acts like he does because if he didn't, the show would turn into fifth gear and we'd all fall asleep

and please, no more of the "tank X is better than tank Y" rubbish. would you say an rx8 is better than a 350z without driving them both? who here has driven an m1a1 and a challenger 2? only a fool would claim that one is better than the other based on country of origin and stats they found through google.

let's move on...

I wasn't implying it was an inferior tank at all, just pointing out JC's mistake They are excellent tanks operated by excellent crews, I bet if you staged a mock battle between M1A2's, Leopard 2's, Leclerc's, Challenger 2's and even T90's the outcome would be determined by the skill of each crew and luck, the fact that all these amazing weapons are more or less on the same side is a big relief

[ruuman]

Originally Posted by eMKay

The gun is a 120mm, here's a link to the info, first paragraph under armament"

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/challenger2/

Cheers for the link mate, so judging by that article it's so the C2 can use Charm 3 ammo (what ever that is )

I used to be a complete tank geek when I was a kid and could quote ever spec of ever model (dam you top trumps!!!) not so bad now.

I was so jealous when my mate won a competition to visit Vickers, this was when they were putting the C2 in production, he saw chobum amour being made and had rides in all the kit. He said they weren't allowed to see the electro magnetic guns though.... such a git.

But I totally agree with the "my tank could kick your tanks arse" argument is such a stupid idea on so many levels.

[zgrabill]

I thought the soccer segment was hilarious. My wife hates cars, and she was laughing her ass off at that.

[scotty]

i was watching the soccor bit at skwl in class and everyone was pissing themselves!!

[Mishal]

I finally got to watch it tonight and boy I loved the football match (not to mention the Aygo). And the review on CLS was pretty good too. Overall, another thumping good TG episode. Nicely set up for the rest of the season

[Oscar]

Those guys must have a budget bigger than Microsoft.
Come on, let's just wreck a bunch of new Aygo's..
It was pretty cool.

[JizJizJiz]

Originally Posted by Oscar

Those guys must have a budget bigger than Microsoft.
Come on, let's just wreck a bunch of new Aygo's..
It was pretty cool.

I'm fairly sure Toyota provided those cars.