[07x02] November 20th, 2005 - Page 3

dutch_designer · November 21st, 2005, 02:43 PM

Yeah that's what I would do if I had bought a Cayman.. add the missing bits at a proper tuner... would make a nice trackday car images/smilies/smile.gif

I'd slap it full of logo's and such though to hide the styling a bit images/smilies/lol.gif

Kowalski · November 21st, 2005, 02:46 PM

The full-size RC cars was really good fun. Yet another excuse 2 destroy some caravans! images/smilies/lol.gif

It was nice to see a Ford Scorpio being smashed up. I bet the ford community aren't crying over the loss of a Scorpio. images/smilies/tongue.gif

No great loss there, even Ford admitted the car was Rubbish.

What a waste of a good Vauxhall Omega. images/smilies/ohmy.gif

It was the Elite 3.0 V6...my dad had one of those and he liked it a lot. images/smilies/wink.gif

Again, no great loss there anyway. They are not exactly rare cars are they?

Speaking in waste of a good car - It was painful to watch that BMW 5-Series getting all smashed up. images/smilies/sad.gif

At least the BMW won the "race" and it was amusing to see the Bimmer sent the camera flying. images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I've noticed they have a habit of using large top of the range cars when they do these things on Top Gear. Most of them are pretty scruffy, like the Ford Granada they destroyed, when they did that Limousinne stunt jump or the Vauxhall Carlton they used on that "Car Darts" in 2004.

Why instead of an Omega and a 5-series, they didn't use a...Renault Safrane and a Rover 800? They are pretty crappy cars. images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

siogyumolcs · November 21st, 2005, 03:40 PM

Nice ep, though not as good as the prev. images/smilies/smile.gif

That bit of France looks beautiful images/smilies/w00t.gif

and now I want an Audi. AN AUDI images/smilies/bangin.gif

The other parts of the show felt a bit boring to be honest images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Jail80 · November 21st, 2005, 03:56 PM

A fairly good ep.

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at "the Coxster". The result of Jeremy's Porche review was just what I was afraid of.. Cayman is no good at the end, it's a compromise. images/smilies/sad.gif

A bit better than a Boxster but still made bit worse than a 911. And I agree, the Coxster would easily be a 911-killer, if Porsche just wanted to.

RS4 looks great.. better than M3? A big claim. I don't know, I've never driven either of the cars. But the RS4 must be a very, very good car.

Des · November 21st, 2005, 05:53 PM

The RS4

I just want one! NOW images/smilies/lol.gif

wescx · November 21st, 2005, 06:36 PM

Anyone else notice the camera go flying through the air when the 5 series crashed through the caravan. images/smilies/lol.gif

static · November 21st, 2005, 06:59 PM

Those rockclimbing maniacs were insane! You just have to respect that!
A great episode!

dmk316 · November 21st, 2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Twingoman

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Originally Posted by dmk316

What was the route that they showed the map of?

All I can remember is it was from Nottingham to somewhere.

It was Nottingham to Bideford (Devon), avoiding motorways

So it directed you to Holyhead (Wales), ferry to Dublin (Ireland), drive to Cork, ferry to Roscoff (France), ferry to Plymouth (Devon), then drive to Bideford.

Total of 1071 miles!

Thanks, but they've gone and fixed it now images/smilies/sad.gif

Should have saved the page when I had the chance...

halllo_fireball · November 21st, 2005, 07:52 PM

Well in the end I was right ^^ Everybody who criticized the RS4 was completely wrong images/smilies/mrgreen.gif

In fact the RS4 is better than a BMW M5 - 1:25.X is faster than 1:26.2 images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

... AND IT DOESN'T UNDERSTEER images/smilies/wink.gif

Jan

bartboy9891 · November 21st, 2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by awdrifter

Pretty good episode. I didn't really like the pointless rc car segment, but the rest are great. The BRG segment is pretty good. I think they should give a national color scheme for each country in the A1GP, maybe not just 1 color, but a combination of color for each country. I agree with the Cayman review, they couldn've made the car faster and better, but they can't cuz it'll eat into the 911 territory. If they would've put the 3.6L engine in it and LSD, it would definitely be faster than the 911. The RS4 is badass, but I don't think it'll be better than the next gen M3. Like Clarkson said, the engine is too forward, they only use AWD to mask the problem, I think on the back to back comparo, the M3 will win. BTW does anyone know how much faster around the track is the new RS4 than the M3? Thanks.

you may be suprised to know that the previous S4, not RS4, beat the previous M3 around the track.

Overheat · November 21st, 2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wescx

Anyone else notice the camera go flying through the air when the 5 series crashed through the caravan. images/smilies/lol.gif

yup - a couple of us now images/smilies/smile.gif

Top stuff!

awdrifter · November 21st, 2005, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bartboy9891

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Originally Posted by awdrifter

Pretty good episode. I didn't really like the pointless rc car segment, but the rest are great. The BRG segment is pretty good. I think they should give a national color scheme for each country in the A1GP, maybe not just 1 color, but a combination of color for each country. I agree with the Cayman review, they couldn've made the car faster and better, but they can't cuz it'll eat into the 911 territory. If they would've put the 3.6L engine in it and LSD, it would definitely be faster than the 911. The RS4 is badass, but I don't think it'll be better than the next gen M3. Like Clarkson said, the engine is too forward, they only use AWD to mask the problem, I think on the back to back comparo, the M3 will win. BTW does anyone know how much faster around the track is the new RS4 than the M3? Thanks.

you may be suprised to know that the previous S4, not RS4, beat the previous M3 around the track.

Is it the 333hp M3 or is it the previous 260hp M3? The S4 only has 320hp IIRC, and it's heavier, so unless it's in the wet, the M3 should win. I think.

bartboy9891 · November 21st, 2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by awdrifter

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Originally Posted by bartboy9891

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Originally Posted by awdrifter

Pretty good episode. I didn't really like the pointless rc car segment, but the rest are great. The BRG segment is pretty good. I think they should give a national color scheme for each country in the A1GP, maybe not just 1 color, but a combination of color for each country. I agree with the Cayman review, they couldn've made the car faster and better, but they can't cuz it'll eat into the 911 territory. If they would've put the 3.6L engine in it and LSD, it would definitely be faster than the 911. The RS4 is badass, but I don't think it'll be better than the next gen M3. Like Clarkson said, the engine is too forward, they only use AWD to mask the problem, I think on the back to back comparo, the M3 will win. BTW does anyone know how much faster around the track is the new RS4 than the M3? Thanks.

you may be suprised to know that the previous S4, not RS4, beat the previous M3 around the track.

Is it the 333hp M3 or is it the previous 260hp M3? The S4 only has 320hp IIRC, and it's heavier, so unless it's in the wet, the M3 should win. I think.

previous as i the last gen. so yea the lighter RWD 333hp M3 against the heavier AWD 340hp S4. the S4 wins 1:30.9 vs. 1:31.8.

Faultier · November 21st, 2005, 09:10 PM

good episode,
was well worth watching it images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

Flatty · November 21st, 2005, 09:18 PM

Hey. Long time fan of the show, and the website - newcomer to the forum.

What a great episode. The RS4 kicks ass. I mean just look at it, it's so much more stylish and understated than the M3, also a great car in every respect, but would you chuck a rear wheel drive car with 300+bhp around like that? Hell no. RS4 vs. M3 segment please! In the real world an RS4 would absolutley thrash just about anything short of a Lambo. Looking forward to next M3 though, V8...mmm...

P.S. - will Audi offer the DSG dual clutch 'box for the RS4? Now that's an M3 killer.

halllo_fireball · November 21st, 2005, 09:30 PM

Nope - too much torque for that gearbox.

Jan images/smilies/smile.gif

marcos_eirik · November 21st, 2005, 10:49 PM

I think he was way too rude on the Cayman. It's a typical Jeremy thing these days, as a Ferrari nut he has problems accepting the fact that Porsches are better. It's like he had decided before he ever drove it that he wants to hate it. And when he drives it he struggels to prove his points.

The Cayman has recieved nothing else but praize from everywhere else, and it did a devilishly fast lap on a damped circuit, which he blurbed away with some stupid nonsense...

Other than that the episode was fine...

Blythy · November 21st, 2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by halllo_fireball

Nope - too much torque for that gearbox.

Jan images/smilies/smile.gif

there's the box from the veyron

that can handle a little bit of torque.

aqualung · November 21st, 2005, 11:09 PM

The Cayman's shortfalls will be undoubtedly addressed by Techart and other Porsche tuners.

Both the RS4 and Racing Green segments made me very happy - my A6, due for delivery later this week - is at least a 2nd cousin to the RS4, and it's in pearlescent Racing Green images/smilies/mrgreen.gif

The guest wasn't too interesting a person, but what a madman he was in the Liana.

Zak · November 21st, 2005, 11:18 PM

Wow
I just looooved that episode!
It had every ingredient needed for a good tg Episode
Some wannabe good car which Jeremy ripped apart, crazy experimental things with cars, some caravans destroyed, and a really awesome car in the end.
They even did one of there race thingies, well at least a little one.
And the lap of that soccer guy was just great

images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

for the "one wheel drive "

November 21st, 2005, 02:43 PM	#41
dutch_designer Joined: Jul 31st, 2005 Last Online: November 25th, 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 226 Rep Power: 0	Yeah that's what I would do if I had bought a Cayman.. add the missing bits at a proper tuner... would make a nice trackday car I'd slap it full of logo's and such though to hide the styling a bit __________________ have one of my south-african peace crisps!

November 21st, 2005, 02:46 PM	#42
Kowalski Joined: Jan 6th, 2005 Last Online: August 22nd, 2008 Location: Manchester -UK Posts: 265 Car: It's German, it's an estate, it's got a V6 and DSG Rep Power: 16	The full-size RC cars was really good fun. Yet another excuse 2 destroy some caravans! It was nice to see a Ford Scorpio being smashed up. I bet the ford community aren't crying over the loss of a Scorpio. No great loss there, even Ford admitted the car was Rubbish. What a waste of a good Vauxhall Omega. It was the Elite 3.0 V6...my dad had one of those and he liked it a lot. Again, no great loss there anyway. They are not exactly rare cars are they? Speaking in waste of a good car - It was painful to watch that BMW 5-Series getting all smashed up. At least the BMW won the "race" and it was amusing to see the Bimmer sent the camera flying. I've noticed they have a habit of using large top of the range cars when they do these things on Top Gear. Most of them are pretty scruffy, like the Ford Granada they destroyed, when they did that Limousinne stunt jump or the Vauxhall Carlton they used on that "Car Darts" in 2004. Why instead of an Omega and a 5-series, they didn't use a...Renault Safrane and a Rover 800? They are pretty crappy cars.

November 21st, 2005, 03:40 PM	#43
siogyumolcs Joined: Mar 25th, 2005 Last Online: November 17th, 2008 Location: pannonia Posts: 40 Rep Power: 0	Nice ep, though not as good as the prev. That bit of France looks beautiful and now I want an Audi. AN AUDI The other parts of the show felt a bit boring to be honest

November 21st, 2005, 03:56 PM	#44
Jail80 Joined: Jan 3rd, 2005 Last Online: March 27th, 2007 Location: Lahti, Finland Age: 28 Posts: 117 Car: Toyota Auris 1.6 Dual VVT-i Rep Power: 0	A fairly good ep. at "the Coxster". The result of Jeremy's Porche review was just what I was afraid of.. Cayman is no good at the end, it's a compromise. A bit better than a Boxster but still made bit worse than a 911. And I agree, the Coxster would easily be a 911-killer, if Porsche just wanted to. RS4 looks great.. better than M3? A big claim. I don't know, I've never driven either of the cars. But the RS4 must be a very, very good car. __________________ "We've never lost a Top Gear presenter on a mission. And we're not going to do that now either. Not on my watch." - Jeremy Clarkson Get well Richard!

November 21st, 2005, 05:53 PM	#45
Des Joined: Jun 7th, 2005 Last Online: September 18th, 2006 Posts: 65 Rep Power: 0	The RS4 I just want one! NOW __________________ Gumball 3000 \| Gumball 2006

November 21st, 2005, 06:36 PM	#46
wescx Joined: Feb 21st, 2004 Last Online: November 26th, 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 160 Rep Power: 0	Anyone else notice the camera go flying through the air when the 5 series crashed through the caravan.

November 21st, 2005, 06:59 PM	#47
static Joined: Jan 12th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Southern Finland Age: 22 Posts: 685 Rep Power: 16	Those rockclimbing maniacs were insane! You just have to respect that! A great episode!

November 21st, 2005, 07:52 PM	#49
halllo_fireball Joined: Dec 13th, 2004 Last Online: November 30th, 2008 Location: Germany/Bavaria Posts: 102 Rep Power: 17	Well in the end I was right ^^ Everybody who criticized the RS4 was completely wrong In fact the RS4 is better than a BMW M5 - 1:25.X is faster than 1:26.2 ... AND IT DOESN'T UNDERSTEER Jan

November 21st, 2005, 09:10 PM	#54
Faultier Joined: Aug 30th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Faultierfarm Posts: 528 Rep Power: 18	good episode, was well worth watching it __________________ bye Faultier 1 Life 2 live

November 21st, 2005, 09:18 PM	#55
Flatty Joined: Nov 21st, 2005 Last Online: November 9th, 2006 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Hey. Long time fan of the show, and the website - newcomer to the forum. What a great episode. The RS4 kicks ass. I mean just look at it, it's so much more stylish and understated than the M3, also a great car in every respect, but would you chuck a rear wheel drive car with 300+bhp around like that? Hell no. RS4 vs. M3 segment please! In the real world an RS4 would absolutley thrash just about anything short of a Lambo. Looking forward to next M3 though, V8...mmm... P.S. - will Audi offer the DSG dual clutch 'box for the RS4? Now that's an M3 killer.

November 21st, 2005, 09:30 PM	#56
halllo_fireball Joined: Dec 13th, 2004 Last Online: November 30th, 2008 Location: Germany/Bavaria Posts: 102 Rep Power: 17	Nope - too much torque for that gearbox. Jan

November 21st, 2005, 10:49 PM	#57
marcos_eirik Joined: Nov 28th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Lubbock, TX Age: 21 Posts: 1,372 Car: Whichever of the cars we have at home... Rep Power: 24	I think he was way too rude on the Cayman. It's a typical Jeremy thing these days, as a Ferrari nut he has problems accepting the fact that Porsches are better. It's like he had decided before he ever drove it that he wants to hate it. And when he drives it he struggels to prove his points. The Cayman has recieved nothing else but praize from everywhere else, and it did a devilishly fast lap on a damped circuit, which he blurbed away with some stupid nonsense... Other than that the episode was fine... __________________ Wenn ist das Nunstruck geht und Slottermeier? Ja. Beierhund das Oder, die Flipperwald gespürt! Greetings from ~~Norway~~The Grayte State Uh Texus...

November 21st, 2005, 11:09 PM	#59
aqualung Joined: Apr 18th, 2005 Last Online: February 22nd, 2008 Location: Finland Age: 25 Posts: 32 Car: Audi A6 2.8 quattro -99 Rep Power: 0	The Cayman's shortfalls will be undoubtedly addressed by Techart and other Porsche tuners. Both the RS4 and Racing Green segments made me very happy - my A6, due for delivery later this week - is at least a 2nd cousin to the RS4, and it's in pearlescent Racing Green The guest wasn't too interesting a person, but what a madman he was in the Liana.

November 21st, 2005, 11:18 PM	#60
Zak Joined: Dec 16th, 2004 Last Online: July 28th, 2008 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Wow I just looooved that episode! It had every ingredient needed for a good tg Episode Some wannabe good car which Jeremy ripped apart, crazy experimental things with cars, some caravans destroyed, and a really awesome car in the end. They even did one of there race thingies, well at least a little one. And the lap of that soccer guy was just great for the "one wheel drive "

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