[08x02] May 14th, 2006 - Page 13

janstett · May 17th, 2006, 07:19 PM

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ClarksonIsFat, where did you get the Ferrari/Z06 reflection image in your sig? Is it a screen cap? I'd love to find a high-res version for a desktop wallpaper.

Kebab gud · May 17th, 2006, 08:02 PM

looks like a screencap ..
they flip the refections twice

jetsetter · May 17th, 2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by youngwarrior

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The testing of the Z06 was great and the Corvette really surprised me, though the handling isn't as good as a European car.

Really.....hahah. The Z06 handles great and it would have not made it so fast around the track if it could not handle as well as it does.

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but that comparison for me, is insultng

You really need to get off your high horse man. What makes it insulting? The cars are in the same class and competing against each other in the markets.

How come cars with up to 120hp less are faster than Z06 if its such a great handler? Most sports car companies new toys are coming out over the next two years so it will slip back down soon enough.

They are not in each others markets, a ferrari is a exotic, luxury sport car, the Z06 is heavy track car.

Shall I post the lap times?

1 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
2 Maserati MC12 1.18.9
3 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
4 Ariel Atom 1.19.5
5 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8
6 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
7 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
8 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9
9 Ford GT 1.21.9
10 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
11 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
12 Corvette Z06 1.22.4
13 Murcielago 1.23.7 (580 hp)
14 Zonda 1.23.8
15 Koenigsegg 1.23.9 (806 bhp)

The Covette is actually faster than many of the other cars that have more power.

manniac · May 18th, 2006, 12:01 AM

after 13 pages of discussion i think mostly everything has been said, i mostly concur with ChaoZ, i tried to rewatch this episode and i kept skipping, specially the radio bit, i thought it had potential when i first read about it but in execution it just fell short and flat on its face. i tried watching it again and it just didn't make me laugh as much as for an instance the making of the renault espace roadster zzr, this time they should have renamed it... "how hard can it be... to make an intentionally cringing and unfunny radio show?" the answer is: not hard at all ... in fact, give me the mic, i can do that myself.
Manniac

watto · May 18th, 2006, 12:24 AM

Mods, this is a public plea for you to delete the numerous pages of total shit that have filled this episode discussion. It's a disgrace that so many people think they have to act like children and argue on the internet to get their point across.

This is the worst ep discussion ever.

That is all.

gldude · May 18th, 2006, 01:20 AM

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The corvette. Where I live, it costs about the same as a ferrari.

Jeezus - where do you live, anyway?

Norway, of course. There's a tax on displacement, which make the prices on vettes and similar cars soar.

Ah, I see... I'd forgotten about displacement taxes.

You should lobby for an inverse fuel economy tax instead images/smilies/smile.gif

. Makes more sense, in a way, than taxing displacement which is only an indirect function of economy.

canessjc · May 18th, 2006, 01:56 AM

When I said I found insulting a comparison between a Ferrari and a Corvette I didn't intend to sound out of the line, but I do consider it rather too much to say there's no difference between a Ferrari and a Corvette considering the history - both in the streets and on tracks - the segment to which each of these cars belong to, the interiors and quality, the efficiency of the motor, handling, suspension, etc.

Of course the Z06 handles very well, because it's meant to be and it's a track car, but if you compare it to the handling of other cars, such as a ferrari, it is poor. As I said, I really like the Z06 and I've followed it since it was released and it's a great car and a great improvement over the standard quality of previous models. In the case of a Ferrari, it isn't just a horsy badge, that badge means so much that basically sums up as the confidence of not having any mechanical problems or disturbances neither in a track nor in a day-by-day driving.

To finish this, I also consider it absurd if you revise the lap times of, say, the Ferrari 360 and the Z06 in the same track, driven by the same pilot (the Stig):

Ferrari 360 CS: 1.22.3
Corvette Z06: 1.22.4

Now consider this:
Ferrari 360 CS: 3.6 L, V8, 400 BHP
Z06: 7.0 L, V8, 505 BHP

For me, being a fraction faster than a car which has nearly half you CCs means efficiency and ability, that's basically all I have to say.

If you sum bits and bits, the 100,000 has an explanation, not only in the higher quality, but of course due to the fact that in a ferrari you pay exclusivity, uniqueness and the right to own that car. 8)

watto · May 18th, 2006, 02:04 AM

^Are you sure this wasn't meant to be in the Z06 vs 360 thread? Also note that the 360 you've compared it to for the lap times is the CS (note also the GT3 RS has the same time), the hardcore, stripped out, no holes barred version. For the Z06 (with it's sat nav, air bags, leather etc) to be that close is a damn good effort.

zenkidori · May 18th, 2006, 04:04 AM

Jesus H Christ some of you are totally fucking retarded.

jetsetter · May 18th, 2006, 04:41 AM

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Jesus H Christ some of you are totally fucking retarded.

Hehehehehe. images/smilies/oops.gif

No Boss · May 18th, 2006, 04:50 AM

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4228/11404218023737iy9lg.jpg

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Originally Posted by youngwarrior

How come cars with up to 120hp less are faster than Z06 if its such a great handler? Most sports car companies new toys are coming out over the next two years so it will slip back down soon enough.

They are not in each others markets, a ferrari is a exotic, luxury sport car, the Z06 is heavy track car.

You do know we're talking about the lighter, faster Z06 not the regular Corvette right?.... In that case:

empowah · May 18th, 2006, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by canessjc

When I said I found insulting a comparison between a Ferrari and a Corvette I didn't intend to sound out of the line, but I do consider it rather too much to say there's no difference between a Ferrari and a Corvette considering the history - both in the streets and on tracks - the segment to which each of these cars belong to, the interiors and quality, the efficiency of the motor, handling, suspension, etc.

Of course the Z06 handles very well, because it's meant to be and it's a track car, but if you compare it to the handling of other cars, such as a ferrari, it is poor. As I said, I really like the Z06 and I've followed it since it was released and it's a great car and a great improvement over the standard quality of previous models. In the case of a Ferrari, it isn't just a horsy badge, that badge means so much that basically sums up as the confidence of not having any mechanical problems or disturbances neither in a track nor in a day-by-day driving.

To finish this, I also consider it absurd if you revise the lap times of, say, the Ferrari 360 and the Z06 in the same track, driven by the same pilot (the Stig):

Ferrari 360 CS: 1.22.3
Corvette Z06: 1.22.4

Now consider this:
Ferrari 360 CS: 3.6 L, V8, 400 BHP
Z06: 7.0 L, V8, 505 BHP

For me, being a fraction faster than a car which has nearly half you CCs means efficiency and ability, that's basically all I have to say.

If you sum bits and bits, the 100,000 has an explanation, not only in the higher quality, but of course due to the fact that in a ferrari you pay exclusivity, uniqueness and the right to own that car. 8)

To an extent, I can see what you're banging on about.

The Ferrari has the "X-factor" that the Corvette doesn't have. It costs 100K more than the Corvette because it has the Italian breeding, Italian heritage, Italian passion, and Italian exclusivity. It's Italian; I'll agree with you up to that bit.

However, since when were Italian cars considered remotely reliable, high in quality, or cheap to run?

Kebab gud · May 18th, 2006, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jetsetter

Shall I post the lap times?

1 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
2 Maserati MC12 1.18.9
3 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
4 Ariel Atom 1.19.5
5 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8
6 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
7 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
8 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9
9 Ford GT 1.21.9
10 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
11 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
12 Corvette Z06 1.22.4
13 Murcielago 1.23.7 (580 hp)
14 Zonda 1.23.8
15 Koenigsegg 1.23.9 (806 bhp)

The Covette is actually faster than many of the other cars that have more power.

the koenigsegg on 15th is NOT the CCRor CCX its the CC8S.. in other words it has 600 something hp ..

BerserkerCatSplat · May 18th, 2006, 05:42 AM

So? That's still 100 more HP than the Z06.

The Corvette is extremely fast and superbly priced. Get. Over. It.

watto · May 18th, 2006, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BerserkerCatSplat

The Corvette is extremely fast and superbly priced. Get. Over. It.

x infinity!

youngwarrior · May 18th, 2006, 08:09 AM

You guys actually think id refer to the topgear laptimes as a overall basis for my argument. Puurrrlease.

Im talking about non other than the 'ring laptimes, and we will never be able to make a propper judgement of the Z06 and its 'ring time as GM RENTED OUT THE TRACK FOR THE DAY, most of the other cars did theyre lap times with joe public on the track at the same time! Also GM CHANGED SUSPENSION SETTINGS FOR THE Z06, to get the times that they did, the cars so to speak wasnt in stock form that you would get from the dealers.

And hence the gap between the C6 and Z06, and so many 2 tonne vehicles have beaten the C6 thorougly around the 'ring. The RS4 spanks the C6 aswell even with only 14 extra horses but 300 extra kgs in weight and extra two doors, and a higher centre of gravity. Now go figure.

watto · May 18th, 2006, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by youngwarrior

Im talking about non other than the 'ring laptimes, and we will never be able to make a propper judgement of the Z06 and its 'ring time as GM RENTED OUT THE TRACK FOR THE DAY, most of the other cars did theyre lap times with joe public on the track at the same time! Also GM CHANGED SUSPENSION SETTINGS FOR THE Z06, to get the times that they did, the cars so to speak wasnt in stock form that you would get from the dealers.

Once again, you fail to provide any proof to sustain these outrageous claims. images/smilies/oops.gif

GraemeH · May 18th, 2006, 08:18 AM

Quoting 'ring times is pointless.

Because of the length any differences in driver skill, how hard the driver is pushing, track knowledge etc. is magnified ten times. It's not a way to compare car to car.

youngwarrior · May 18th, 2006, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by watto

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Originally Posted by youngwarrior

Im talking about non other than the 'ring laptimes, and we will never be able to make a propper judgement of the Z06 and its 'ring time as GM RENTED OUT THE TRACK FOR THE DAY, most of the other cars did theyre lap times with joe public on the track at the same time! Also GM CHANGED SUSPENSION SETTINGS FOR THE Z06, to get the times that they did, the cars so to speak wasnt in stock form that you would get from the dealers.

Once again, you fail to provide any proof to sustain these outrageous claims. images/smilies/oops.gif

Yeah yeah, just you wait. Make sure to check into the Z06 VS Ferrari 360 thread later tonight. Looks like im gonna be bursting some peoples bubbles. images/smilies/twisted.gif

youngwarrior · May 18th, 2006, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GraemeH

Quoting 'ring times is pointless.

Because of the length any differences in driver skill, how hard the driver is pushing, track knowledge etc. is magnified ten times. It's not a way to compare car to car.

Wrong because there is a official list were the same driver tests them, and if say the conditions werent perfect he will say so in the magazine and give a time he predicts it would have gotten in better conditions.

I shall post that official list but they havent taken the Z06 round the 'ring yet though.

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janstett Joined: Jul 9th, 2005 Last Online: January 8th, 2009 Location: Chester, NJ Posts: 1,137 Car: 86 944 Turbo, 2000 Trans Am, 02 Jeep Rep Power: 22	[quote="ClarksonIsFat"][quote] ClarksonIsFat, where did you get the Ferrari/Z06 reflection image in your sig? Is it a screen cap? I'd love to find a high-res version for a desktop wallpaper.

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manniac Joined: Feb 11th, 2006 Last Online: November 12th, 2008 Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	after 13 pages of discussion i think mostly everything has been said, i mostly concur with ChaoZ, i tried to rewatch this episode and i kept skipping, specially the radio bit, i thought it had potential when i first read about it but in execution it just fell short and flat on its face. i tried watching it again and it just didn't make me laugh as much as for an instance the making of the renault espace roadster zzr, this time they should have renamed it... "how hard can it be... to make an intentionally cringing and unfunny radio show?" the answer is: not hard at all ... in fact, give me the mic, i can do that myself. Manniac

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watto Unloved and lacking a title Joined: Jun 13th, 2005 Last Online: 01:53 AM Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 23 Posts: 5,414 Car: 1997 VW Golf MkIII CL, Giant OCR 3 Rep Power: 58	Mods, this is a public plea for you to delete the numerous pages of total shit that have filled this episode discussion. It's a disgrace that so many people think they have to act like children and argue on the internet to get their point across. This is the worst ep discussion ever. That is all.

May 18th, 2006, 01:56 AM	#247
canessjc Joined: Mar 8th, 2006 Last Online: November 29th, 2008 Location: lima, peru Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	When I said I found insulting a comparison between a Ferrari and a Corvette I didn't intend to sound out of the line, but I do consider it rather too much to say there's no difference between a Ferrari and a Corvette considering the history - both in the streets and on tracks - the segment to which each of these cars belong to, the interiors and quality, the efficiency of the motor, handling, suspension, etc. Of course the Z06 handles very well, because it's meant to be and it's a track car, but if you compare it to the handling of other cars, such as a ferrari, it is poor. As I said, I really like the Z06 and I've followed it since it was released and it's a great car and a great improvement over the standard quality of previous models. In the case of a Ferrari, it isn't just a horsy badge, that badge means so much that basically sums up as the confidence of not having any mechanical problems or disturbances neither in a track nor in a day-by-day driving. To finish this, I also consider it absurd if you revise the lap times of, say, the Ferrari 360 and the Z06 in the same track, driven by the same pilot (the Stig): Ferrari 360 CS: 1.22.3 Corvette Z06: 1.22.4 Now consider this: Ferrari 360 CS: 3.6 L, V8, 400 BHP Z06: 7.0 L, V8, 505 BHP For me, being a fraction faster than a car which has nearly half you CCs means efficiency and ability, that's basically all I have to say. If you sum bits and bits, the 100,000 has an explanation, not only in the higher quality, but of course due to the fact that in a ferrari you pay exclusivity, uniqueness and the right to own that car. 8)

May 18th, 2006, 02:04 AM	#248
watto Unloved and lacking a title Joined: Jun 13th, 2005 Last Online: 01:53 AM Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 23 Posts: 5,414 Car: 1997 VW Golf MkIII CL, Giant OCR 3 Rep Power: 58	^Are you sure this wasn't meant to be in the Z06 vs 360 thread? Also note that the 360 you've compared it to for the lap times is the CS (note also the GT3 RS has the same time), the hardcore, stripped out, no holes barred version. For the Z06 (with it's sat nav, air bags, leather etc) to be that close is a damn good effort.

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zenkidori Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809 Car: RX-7, Jeep Cherokee Rep Power: 0	Jesus H Christ some of you are totally fucking retarded.

May 18th, 2006, 08:09 AM	#256
youngwarrior Joined: May 16th, 2006 Last Online: September 12th, 2006 Posts: 445 Rep Power: 0	You guys actually think id refer to the topgear laptimes as a overall basis for my argument. Puurrrlease. Im talking about non other than the 'ring laptimes, and we will never be able to make a propper judgement of the Z06 and its 'ring time as GM RENTED OUT THE TRACK FOR THE DAY, most of the other cars did theyre lap times with joe public on the track at the same time! Also GM CHANGED SUSPENSION SETTINGS FOR THE Z06, to get the times that they did, the cars so to speak wasnt in stock form that you would get from the dealers. And hence the gap between the C6 and Z06, and so many 2 tonne vehicles have beaten the C6 thorougly around the 'ring. The RS4 spanks the C6 aswell even with only 14 extra horses but 300 extra kgs in weight and extra two doors, and a higher centre of gravity. Now go figure.

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